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Upon reflection, I agree that both should be considered valid sources — ''especially'' in the case of ''[[Incoming Message (webcast)|Incoming Message]]'', where [[Russell T Davies]] bothering to point out why Yvonne Hartman is alive despite her death in ''[[Doomsday (TV story)|Doomsday]]'' (namely, that she's the [[Yvonne Hartman (Pete's World)|Pete's World Yvonne from Big Finish]]) seems a very obvious sign that this is meant to take place in the DWU, albeit during events which eerily echo what's happening in the real world. | Upon reflection, I agree that both should be considered valid sources — ''especially'' in the case of ''[[Incoming Message (webcast)|Incoming Message]]'', where [[Russell T Davies]] bothering to point out why Yvonne Hartman is alive despite her death in ''[[Doomsday (TV story)|Doomsday]]'' (namely, that she's the [[Yvonne Hartman (Pete's World)|Pete's World Yvonne from Big Finish]]) seems a very obvious sign that this is meant to take place in the DWU, albeit during events which eerily echo what's happening in the real world. | ||
Yes, both are filmed as the actor talking to the audience, but both are clearly and unambiguously in-universe broadcasts aimed at the British population/whoever the TARDIS telepathic circuits pick up is "in trouble" (respectively). They're not addressing "you, the viewer" in a fourth-wall-breaking way. If we let in ''[[Before the Flood (TV story)|Before the Flood]]'', I see no reason to invalidate those when they have ''more'' of an explanation of quite who the character is talking to in-universe. In fact, it's best likened, I would say, to ''[[The Woman Who Fell to Earth (TV story)|The Woman Who Fell to Earth]]'' and ''[[Love & Monsters (TV story)|Love and Monsters]]''{{'}}s framing devices with [[Ryan Sinclair]] and [[Elton Pope]]'s vlogs. It ''looks'' like they're talking to the viewer, but the viewer is just being put in the shoes of the intended in-universe audience of the in-universe video is all. | Yes, both are filmed as the actor talking to the audience, but both are clearly and unambiguously in-universe broadcasts aimed at the British population/whoever the TARDIS telepathic circuits pick up is "in trouble" (respectively). They're not addressing "you, the viewer" in a fourth-wall-breaking way. If we let in ''[[Before the Flood (TV story)|Before the Flood]]'', I see no reason to invalidate those when they have ''more'' of an explanation of quite who the character is talking to in-universe. In fact, it's best likened, I would say, to ''[[The Woman Who Fell to Earth (TV story)|The Woman Who Fell to Earth]]'' and ''[[Love & Monsters (TV story)|Love and Monsters]]''{{'}}s framing devices with [[Ryan Sinclair]] and [[Elton Pope]]'s vlogs. It ''looks'' like they're talking to the viewer, but the viewer is just being put in the shoes of the intended in-universe audience of the in-universe video is all. | ||
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Latest revision as of 15:35, 27 April 2023
Upon reflection, I agree that both should be considered valid sources — especially in the case of Incoming Message, where Russell T Davies bothering to point out why Yvonne Hartman is alive despite her death in Doomsday (namely, that she's the Pete's World Yvonne from Big Finish) seems a very obvious sign that this is meant to take place in the DWU, albeit during events which eerily echo what's happening in the real world.
Yes, both are filmed as the actor talking to the audience, but both are clearly and unambiguously in-universe broadcasts aimed at the British population/whoever the TARDIS telepathic circuits pick up is "in trouble" (respectively). They're not addressing "you, the viewer" in a fourth-wall-breaking way. If we let in Before the Flood, I see no reason to invalidate those when they have more of an explanation of quite who the character is talking to in-universe. In fact, it's best likened, I would say, to The Woman Who Fell to Earth and Love and Monsters's framing devices with Ryan Sinclair and Elton Pope's vlogs. It looks like they're talking to the viewer, but the viewer is just being put in the shoes of the intended in-universe audience of the in-universe video is all.
