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| == Opening Post ==
| | Moved to [[Forum:Relaxing T:HONOUR]], continued in [[Forum:Queen Victoria and other honourifics]] |
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| I'd like to start this off by clarifying that this thread is not attempting to create a whole new policy, or even radically alter the current one. The aim is, in short, '''to expand our allowance of dabbing by honourifc'''.
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| {{Quote|Another more unusual case is that of Grandma Connolly from The Idiot's Lantern. Normally, we would call her Connolly (The Idiot's Lantern) — but there are other Connollys in The Idiot's Lantern. Thus, it's clearer to just use her honourific to title the article.|The part of "When honourifics are allowed" that is relevant to this discussion|Tardis:Honourifcs}}
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| From the above quote, many may deam this thread unnecessary, but it is not. The current policy only allows us to use an honourific dab when ''nothing else is possible''. So for example, the individual most commonly known as "Godfather Sabbath" (in order to differentiate him from [[Sabbath Dei]]) is located at [[Sabbath (Movers)]] on our wiki, which almost no one would search and which requires pipswitching to "Godfather Sabbath" every time it is linked, anyway. I propose to that we change our dabbing rules so that ''Honourifcics are prefered over story dabs when disambuigation is necessary''.
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| This, however, would not mean that all pages on members of [[Faction Paradox]] are changed to include their honourific (unless, of course, there are other similiar cases to Sabbath) - however I do suggest that we add ''redirects'' to some or all of these pages, as a user may well search for "Godfather Auter" when looking for [[Auter]], for example.
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| Below is a list of characters who I think deserve a rename, and ''defintely do'' deserve a redirect (some already have one):
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| 1. [[Vastra]] to [[Madame Vastra]] as she is most commonly refered to as that
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| 2. [[Father Kriener]] as a redirect to [[Fitz Kreiner]], like [[Kode]] is. Discussion on splitting this character should be left to [[Talk:Fitz Kreiner]].
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| 3. [[Waites (John Smith and the Common Men)]] to [[Mr Waites]] as thats what he's refered to, and the current pagename is very long.
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| 4. [[Andrew_Williams]] to [[Sir Andrew Williams]], as he is only ever refered to as such, inclduing in story titles.
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| 5. [[Saldaamir]] to [[Mr Saldaamir]] as that's what he's referred to, and all sources featuring him state he only goes by that.
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| Additionally, although this is slightly outside the original scope of this proposal, I'd like to suggest we also allow for epithets, probably in a new policy called [[T:EPIPHET]] or something. Characters who would benefit from this would be (non-comprehensive list):
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| 1. [[Brian (A Guide to the Dark Times)]] would be moved to [[Brian the Ood]], as that is consistently what he is called in both valid sources, the [[Time Fracture (stage play)|Time Fracture]] stage play, and in fandom.
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| 2. [[Epsilon (Out of the Box)]] to [[Epsilon the Watcher]], as that's what they're called.
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| 3. [[Rusty (Into the Dalek)]] to [[Rusty the Dalek]], although as they're most commonly referred to as "Rusty" instead of the full, I'm okay if this one doesn't pass, and "the Dalek" is a very general epiphet.
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| 4. [[Romana III (The Shadows of Avalon)]] to [[War Queen Romana]], although again I wouldn't be ''too'' annoyed if this doesn't pass.
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| [[User:Cousin Ettolrhc|Cousin Ettolrahc]] [[User talk:Cousin Ettolrhc|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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