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Recently, it was [[Forum:Validity:The universe's greatest assassin(...)|decided]] that ''[[The universe's greatest assassin has just 24 hours to escape Death and find the Doctor - where will Doom's Day take her next? (webcast)|The universe's greatest assassin has just 24 hours to escape Death and find the Doctor - where will Doom's Day take her next?]]'' shouldn't be a valid source based on the ''[[The Trip of a Lifetime (TV story)|The Trip of a Lifetime]]'' [[Forum:Temporary_forums/Inclusion_debates_speedround#Part_4:_Fourth_wall_stuff|precedent]]. Based on this, I don't think that ''[[Meet Death's Head (comic story)|Meet Death's Head]]'' should be valid, as it's literally just [[Death's Head]] asking the reader if they've read his previous comics. [[User:Cgl1999|Cgl1999]] [[User talk:Cgl1999|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC) | Recently, it was [[Forum:Validity:The universe's greatest assassin(...)|decided]] that ''[[The universe's greatest assassin has just 24 hours to escape Death and find the Doctor - where will Doom's Day take her next? (webcast)|The universe's greatest assassin has just 24 hours to escape Death and find the Doctor - where will Doom's Day take her next?]]'' shouldn't be a valid source based on the ''[[The Trip of a Lifetime (TV story)|The Trip of a Lifetime]]'' [[Forum:Temporary_forums/Inclusion_debates_speedround#Part_4:_Fourth_wall_stuff|precedent]]. Based on this, I don't think that ''[[Meet Death's Head (comic story)|Meet Death's Head]]'' should be valid, as it's literally just [[Death's Head]] asking the reader if they've read his previous comics. [[User:Cgl1999|Cgl1999]] [[User talk:Cgl1999|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
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:::Agreed. I can’t see anything out of order either. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC) | :::Agreed. I can’t see anything out of order either. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
::::I also want to say that it's a little odd to try and assign judgements like this to Death's Head. I've always been under the impression that stories with a character like [[Iris Wildthyme]] are held to a bit of a different standard than stories that just feature the Doctor. Death's Head often speaks to the audience, it's part of his style. If a DWM comic featured a Deadpool cameo, would we call that non-valid? I seriously doubt it. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 22:32, 19 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::: Yeah, I agree with the above. I'm happy for this thread to be closed swiftly as its creation seems to have been a misunderstanding of the story's contents. [[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::::: As this thread's creator, I agree to this. I didn't notice that it was a written advertisement, I thought it was just Death's Head talking to the reader. [[User:Cgl1999|Cgl1999]] [[User talk:Cgl1999|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
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As discussed by the OP above, this thread was based on inaccurate premises. It doesn't actually break the fourth wall — Death's Head is just writing a summary of his past adventures, not talking directly to the reader, let alone acknowledging that he's a comic-book character. There just anything to discuss here. These things happen! '''''[[Meet Death's Head (comic story)|Meet Death's Head]]'' remains valid''', obviously. Moving on. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 12:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Latest revision as of 12:46, 28 August 2023
Recently, it was decided that The universe's greatest assassin has just 24 hours to escape Death and find the Doctor - where will Doom's Day take her next? shouldn't be a valid source based on the The Trip of a Lifetime precedent. Based on this, I don't think that Meet Death's Head should be valid, as it's literally just Death's Head asking the reader if they've read his previous comics. Cgl1999 ☎ 19:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
If people disagree I'll keep it open, but I think you're… factually wrong about the contents of the comic?? Nowhere in the comic are comics mentioned, and Death's Head isn't talking to the reader in a fourth-wall-breaky way — the text isn't actually dialogue, but something he wrote. The text says he was "called upon to write this short introduction…". It's an in-universe document. Much more like A Letter from the Doctor or Doctor Who and the Day of the Doctor than like a The universe's greatest assassin… or a Trip of a Lifetime. Are you sure you've got the right comic? Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 20:34, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- (For context, this is the one-panel comic) Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 21:52, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- I also want to say that it's a little odd to try and assign judgements like this to Death's Head. I've always been under the impression that stories with a character like Iris Wildthyme are held to a bit of a different standard than stories that just feature the Doctor. Death's Head often speaks to the audience, it's part of his style. If a DWM comic featured a Deadpool cameo, would we call that non-valid? I seriously doubt it. OS25🤙☎️ 22:32, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree with the above. I'm happy for this thread to be closed swiftly as its creation seems to have been a misunderstanding of the story's contents. Borisashton ☎ 22:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Conclusion
As discussed by the OP above, this thread was based on inaccurate premises. It doesn't actually break the fourth wall — Death's Head is just writing a summary of his past adventures, not talking directly to the reader, let alone acknowledging that he's a comic-book character. There just anything to discuss here. These things happen! Meet Death's Head remains valid, obviously. Moving on. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 12:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
