Forum:Roland Rat: The Series: Difference between revisions

← Older edit

Forum:Roland Rat: The Series (edit)

Revision as of 19:16, 11 September 2023

4,178 bytes added , 11 September 2023

→‎Discussion

Danochy

Trusted

25,409

edits

@@ Line 178: / Line 178: @@
 This is why further media featuring concepts debuting in spinoff stories should not be covered automatically. Now, if the same episode had featured a concept more closely associated with the Doctor, for example a rat companion, that ''might'' be a different story. But as it is, the concepts introduced are, outside of the one episode, irrelevant to Doctor Who. [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
+:: but I would presume the idea of daisy-chaining is relevant yet distinct from that thread
+:So, insofar as it applies to ''crossovers in particular'' this is the case, yes, it's a subset of a more general discussion being had. But ever since Scrooge's first Object Level Reply we've been discussing, to greater or lesser extent, his proposed path forward for reforming [[T:VS]], which places front and center the daisy-chaining of DWU concepts / narrative connections. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:58, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
+:: Alright, thanks. I had read Your opening and Scrooge's initial reply a while back, and just now I've done some skimming over the more recent discussion. I do think it's important to consider crossovers separately from spinoffs, where T:CS and The Web<sup>tm</sup> would be concerned. With the main series and spinoffs, at least it's reasonable to assume the entire body of (licensed) material is to be covered. If we were to apply this to crossovers, then we have two cases: a) We arbitrarily cover only concepts descended from the crossover episode or b) We cover the entire series and all Roland Rat before and since, because it's all connected after all, and we have to be consistent. Neither of these options serve the purposes of what a '''''Doctor Who''''' wiki should be. [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
+:::And quite how does covering {{cs|The Story of Fester Cat (novel)}}? [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  06:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
+::::Magrs' corpus is a wildly interwoven body of work. It's ''arguable'' that ''Fester Cat'' doesn't belong here, but because his overall work is ''so'' dense with references and callbacks it's very hard to make clear any sort of demarcation. This is not clearly the case when it comes to crossovers. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
+::::: It's also an interesting case to bring up, because [[Iris Wildthyme (series)|the series which it is ''argued'' to crossover with]] itself predates its own connection with ''Doctor Who''. But, of course, we seem to have made an exception for Iris, since her series over time morphed to become an inarguable ''Doctor Who '' spinoff. It does make things difficult when concepts which originated in pre-DW Magrsverse content re-emerge, however. Or concepts which are simply fictional version of aspects of Paul's own life (e.g. Fester Cat, Panda, Paul himself).
+::::: Another interesting example is [[Archibald Angelchrist]], who I believe has been indirectly referenced here already. He originated in media predating his debut DW appearance, but since his original appearance was a charity release, we don't consider it to be his ''real'' first appearance. Should Prof Angelchrist ''really'' be considered a DWU-associated concept? Besides, maybe that has all changed with [[Forum:Charity Stories that are TECHNICALLY licensed...|recent developments]]? [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
+:::::: What do the "recent developments" have to do with it? Also, I see what Najawin means, this is starting to get quite conceptionally similar to the r4bp thread. [[User:Aquanafrahudy|<span style="font-family: serif; color: pink" title="Hallo." > Aquanafrahudy</span>]] [[User talk: Aquanafrahudy|<span title="Talk to me">📢</span>]]  07:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
+::::::: We no longer pretend fully licensed charity stories are no longer exist, so [[The Maharajah's Star (short story)]] is now Angel Christ's first appearance, therefore even by the rules of the wiki (albeit nascent) he should no longer be considered a DWU concept. But that's getting off topic a bit, apologies. I take your point re:R4BP. [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:16, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 ==Notes==
 {{Notelist}}