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| Is it me, or does Billy Shipton have a Jamaican accent, or at least from somewhere in the Caribbean?--[[User:MaGnUs|MaGnUs]] 06:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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| ==The Angels actors== | | == SCP-173 == |
| Is there is a list anywhere of the actors who played the Angels? They should be listed here. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 00:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
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| == How did the TARDIS move to Wester Drumlins? ==
| | As I imagine some of you know, SCP-173 is the first SCP written, which was inspired by weeping angels, mere 13 days after the air date of the episode. |
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| Roughly mid episode the TARDIS is in Police storage, but by the end it has moved to the basement of Wester Drumlins (where it's found by Sally etc etc). Since The Doctor is in 1969 at this point then it wasn't piloted there, and the Angels don't have access. The only thing I can think of is that the Angels moved it, but how? No matter how fast they are it seems impossible to move a large blue box across a populated area without someone seeing them, and therefore trapping them in Quantum Lock. (Also, not really sure how it got into the basement anyway, I wouldn't want to move a Police Box down a flight of stairs)
| | While this fact is mentioned on [[Weeping_Angel#Other_matters]], I think it should also be here |
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| Any other theories?
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| [[User:AmazingJim|AmazingJim]] 06:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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| Maybe the Doctor parked the TARDIS in Wester Drumlins to take care of some monster, and then he and Martha got transported back in time by the Weeping Angels, leaving the TARDIS there. In fact, he could get transported to 1969 soon after the end of the episode, because he was in the area at that time.[[User:Doc Who10|Doc Who10]] 07:18, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
| | but I am not an active editor on Tardis Wiki, so I am asking for a blessing {{Unsigned|voball}} |
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| Sorry DocWho10, maybe I wasn't clear. When Sally first meets Billy Shipton the TARDIS is in a Police Garage with the cars found at the house, which your explanation for is probably right, but how did it move from the Garage to the House basement later in the episode. The Police probably moved it from the house to the garage on a truck (seen that done elsewhere), but how did it get back to the house between the time Billy dissappeared and Sally found it after watching the DVD. There's nothing on the DVD commentary track about it either, just checked that through today.
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| :The implication ''was'' that the Angels moved it. But as you say, that seems difficult to pull off. [[User:Monkey with a Gun|Monkey with a Gun]] 02:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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| Hmm. I see your point. Sorry, I mustn't have been thinking (I just havn't seen that episode here, I thought you meant that the TARDIS was at the house in the beginning of the story, or something like that). I wonder how it happened? - [[User:Doc Who10|Doc Who10]] 04:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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| == Reference of the year gap at the end ==
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| I'm fairly sure I remember seeing the "One Year Later" message in the broadcast...[[User:ProtoKun7|ProtoKun7]] 22:07, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
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| * I never saw it on the CBC in Canada and it's not on the DVD. It was originally scripted - confirmed in several sources - but I can't find anything to support that it actually appeared on screen. Maybe in only certain parts of the UK? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 20:55, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Discontinuity or self-referentiality? ==
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| I rather take exception with the fact that this is included in the discontinuity and errors section:
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| "They [the characters] look away from the angels many times but they [the angels] don't move. Someone or thing is watching them. Some have proposed, semi-jokingly, that they are reacting to the camera and the viewer observing them."
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| This is an excellent (and very elegant) example of the self-referentiality device (widely used in many television shows, movies and books), by which the audience becomes part of the action. The episode deliberately breaks the "fourth wall" between the action and the audience. As a television criticism junkie, I am endlessly tickled by the beauty of this device and the subtlety with which it's used here.
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| Come weigh in on the subject on my blog, at http://bit.ly/4W6rxA!
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| * Although it's an interesting concept, it is an error in the context of Doctor Who as, in theory, it's not supposed to break the 4th wall. And, most important, no one connected with the series has come forward to say it was intentional. That said, whether it's actually an error is unclear because nothing in the episode suggests exactly how they move. Yes, the Doctor says they move quickly. But so does a cat - after spending 20 minutes sitting motionless watching the fly on the wall before it pounces. That's exactly how I saw the Angels' movement. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 20:58, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
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