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* If the TARDIS translates all writing immediately for its inhabitants, how come the signs at the beginning of the episode are still unreadable? | * If the TARDIS translates all writing immediately for its inhabitants, how come the signs at the beginning of the episode are still unreadable? | ||
:: | ::As River has said many times, it takes a little while for the TARDIS to translate the written word. | ||
* If Donna never appears inside the TARDIS in The Runaway Bride, what draws The Doctor's attention to The Racnoss? | * If Donna never appears inside the TARDIS in The Runaway Bride, what draws The Doctor's attention to The Racnoss? | ||
::Russell T Davies states in the Confidential episode that another temp presumably got dosed. | ::Russell T Davies states in the Confidential episode that another temp presumably got dosed. | ||
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::::It is worth noting that this uncharasteristic agression was probably due to the recent loss of Rose. | ::::It is worth noting that this uncharasteristic agression was probably due to the recent loss of Rose. | ||
:::::::::The Doctor found out about it on his own. He has a good nose for that sort of thing. What happened to the other temp and to Lance in this universe is more ambiguous, but then it doesn't really matter. | |||
* If Rose has been appearing in that reality since Christmas then she should logically have been doing the same in our universe, there's no reason why she shouldn't that has nothing do with Donna. Why hasn't she found the Doctor throughout the whole of series 3? Furthermore why wasn't she around in "Last of the Time Lords" during the year that never was? She could have been a big help to martha with her technology from the other universe, even if she couldn't it's not like rose to just give up and she would know who martha was considering martha was meant to be a legend in the year that never was. If rose could find the doctor in donna's world on christmas day she should have been able to in our world the time lines were the same at that point, why didn't rose go to torchwood or unit throughout the whole of series 3 and 4. For instance if she had gone to unit during series 4 when martha who had a phone that could summon the doctor to earth was there why didn't she go introduce herself to martha get her to phone the doctor then warn him about the darkness several months before it happened, when he would have had a better chance of stopping it. | * If Rose has been appearing in that reality since Christmas then she should logically have been doing the same in our universe, there's no reason why she shouldn't that has nothing do with Donna. Why hasn't she found the Doctor throughout the whole of series 3? Furthermore why wasn't she around in "Last of the Time Lords" during the year that never was? She could have been a big help to martha with her technology from the other universe, even if she couldn't it's not like rose to just give up and she would know who martha was considering martha was meant to be a legend in the year that never was. If rose could find the doctor in donna's world on christmas day she should have been able to in our world the time lines were the same at that point, why didn't rose go to torchwood or unit throughout the whole of series 3 and 4. For instance if she had gone to unit during series 4 when martha who had a phone that could summon the doctor to earth was there why didn't she go introduce herself to martha get her to phone the doctor then warn him about the darkness several months before it happened, when he would have had a better chance of stopping it. | ||
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* Why aren't there [[Cybermen (Pete's World)|Cybermen]] ruling the Earth, there would have been no Doctor to stop them in the [[Battle of Canary Wharf]] (if in Donna's World Rose is still able to cross realities then the Cybermen would still be able to end up in Victorian England) there should also be Daleks since the Doctor would be dead and unable to stop the Cult of Skaro in Manhattan in the 1930s. | * Why aren't there [[Cybermen (Pete's World)|Cybermen]] ruling the Earth, there would have been no Doctor to stop them in the [[Battle of Canary Wharf]] (if in Donna's World Rose is still able to cross realities then the Cybermen would still be able to end up in Victorian England) there should also be Daleks since the Doctor would be dead and unable to stop the Cult of Skaro in Manhattan in the 1930s. | ||
::Battle of Canary Warf? What are you talking about? This timeline only diverges at The Runaway Bride? | |||
::When creating [[Andrea Yates' World]], the Trickster told Sarah Jane that he prevented those invasions. | ::When creating [[Andrea Yates' World]], the Trickster told Sarah Jane that he prevented those invasions. | ||
:::However is the Trickster really a match for either the Daleks or the Cybermen? He seemingly can't stop them when the Darkness is coming in Donna's World. | :::However is the Trickster really a match for either the Daleks or the Cybermen? He seemingly can't stop them when the Darkness is coming in Donna's World. | ||
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::::The Sontaran invasion wasn't just as bad, because Torchwood stopped it from killing everyone. The Trickster presumably knows a lot more about what has to be stopped and what doesn't than we do. | ::::The Sontaran invasion wasn't just as bad, because Torchwood stopped it from killing everyone. The Trickster presumably knows a lot more about what has to be stopped and what doesn't than we do. | ||
:: It could be argued that since Donna's World is an alternative timeline, only events that occurred '''after''' the point of change would be affected. In other words, the Daleks, Cybermen, Pyroviles, Carrionites, etc. would still have an echo of the "real" Doctor shaping events as originally set. Or it could be said that events that happened before Donna's world (The Battle of Canary Wharf, the Pyrovile incident, and the Carrionite incident) would take longer to assert themselves. This could also presumably create a "weaker" reality in Donna's world, leading to an earlier collapse from the Reality Bomb, and allowing Rose to enter that reality more easily than her own. | :: It could be argued that since Donna's World is an alternative timeline, only events that occurred '''after''' the point of change would be affected. In other words, the Daleks, Cybermen, Pyroviles, Carrionites, etc. would still have an echo of the "real" Doctor shaping events as originally set. Or it could be said that events that happened before Donna's world (The Battle of Canary Wharf, the Pyrovile incident, and the Carrionite incident) would take longer to assert themselves. This could also presumably create a "weaker" reality in Donna's world, leading to an earlier collapse from the Reality Bomb, and allowing Rose to enter that reality more easily than her own. | ||
:::I like this theory. Makes more sense as more and more stories set in the past are made. | |||
* Donna lives in Chiswick in West London. Presumably, the job with Jival Choudhury is also in Chiswick, as Sylvia says at the beginning of the episode that "it'll only take a minute" to turn right and see him. The Thames Barrier is on the other side of town 13 miles away in the Docklands area of East London. When Donna sees the web she follows it on foot, so how does she get from Chiswick to the Thames Barrier? | * Donna lives in Chiswick in West London. Presumably, the job with Jival Choudhury is also in Chiswick, as Sylvia says at the beginning of the episode that "it'll only take a minute" to turn right and see him. The Thames Barrier is on the other side of town 13 miles away in the Docklands area of East London. When Donna sees the web she follows it on foot, so how does she get from Chiswick to the Thames Barrier? | ||
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:::::[[UNIT]] would have given the order. | :::::[[UNIT]] would have given the order. | ||
::What's to say he didn't give the order? The Master arrived as Harold Saxon before the events of the Racnoss and therefore before the Doctor's death. Presumably since he doesn't become PM however he likely vanished due to the paradox created or maybe the Trickster dealt with him. | ::What's to say he didn't give the order? The Master arrived as Harold Saxon before the events of the Racnoss and therefore before the Doctor's death. Presumably since he doesn't become PM however he likely vanished due to the paradox created or maybe the Trickster dealt with him. | ||
:::yes but he only awoke in the future because of the Doctor's influence | |||
:::Because the Doctor died in [[The Runaway Bride (TV story)|The Runaway Bride]], he didn't meet Martha, so they didn't travel to the year 100 trillion, so Professor Yana didn't open the fob watch. Even if he did, he couldn't have gotten a hold of the Doctor's TARDIS. Now you're probably thinking, "Well, couldn't another Time Lord have gotten there by accident?" Well, technically yes, but since the Eleventh Doctor was never around to make the decision to change history and save Gallifrey, and neither was the Tenth Doctor, Gallifrey would ''actually'' have been destroyed, so the only Time Lords that could have gotten there had to be from before the Time War. But it's made pretty clear that "Not even the Time Lords came this far." Not to mention the TARDIS he used to get there was sent back to Gallifrey ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Heavenly Paradigm (audio story)|The Heavenly Paradigm]]'') Essentially, the Master was trapped there. | |||
* In Voyage of the Damned, it's stated that everyone except the Queen and Wilf have left London, so why is everybody dead when the Titanic hits the earth? | * In Voyage of the Damned, it's stated that everyone except the Queen and Wilf have left London, so why is everybody dead when the Titanic hits the earth? | ||
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* What about the Lazarus creature? After Smith and Jones the next 'present day' episode is The Lazarus Experiment. Surely the Lazarus creature would have attacked the people of London without the Doctor to stop him? | * What about the Lazarus creature? After Smith and Jones the next 'present day' episode is The Lazarus Experiment. Surely the Lazarus creature would have attacked the people of London without the Doctor to stop him? | ||
::It would not have happened. The Lazarus Project formed part of a plan by Harold Saxon,, to trap the Doctor and Martha. With the Doctor dead, Professor Yana would not have reverted to the Master, and so Lazarus didn't get funding for his project. | ::It would not have happened. The Lazarus Project formed part of a plan by Harold Saxon,, to trap the Doctor and Martha. With the Doctor dead, Professor Yana would not have reverted to the Master, and so Lazarus didn't get funding for his project. | ||
:::I've stated this 17 questions above this one, and I'll say it again. Because the Doctor died in [[The Runaway Bride (TV story)|The Runaway Bride]], he didn't meet Martha, so they didn't travel to the year 100 trillion, so Professor Yana didn't open the fob watch. Even if he did, he couldn't have gotten a hold of the Doctor's TARDIS. Now you're probably thinking, "Well, couldn't another Time Lord have gotten there by accident?" Well, technically yes, but since the Eleventh Doctor was never around to make the decision to change history and save Gallifrey, and neither was the Tenth Doctor, Gallifrey would ''actually'' have been destroyed, so the only Time Lords that could have gotten there had to be from before the Time War. But it's made pretty clear that "Not even the Time Lords came this far." Not to mention the TARDIS he used to get there was sent back to Gallifrey ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[The Heavenly Paradigm (audio story)|The Heavenly Paradigm]]'') Essentially, the Master was trapped there. So he really couldn't have come into contact with Richard Lazarus. | |||
::Even if it did happen, dozens of people killed by a bizarre monster before the British Army or UNIT could take it down would hardly be as big a story as all of the other things that happened. | ::Even if it did happen, dozens of people killed by a bizarre monster before the British Army or UNIT could take it down would hardly be as big a story as all of the other things that happened. | ||
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::::''The Parting of the Ways'', just before the regeneration, establishes that Rose forgot much about her experience as the Bad Wolf. | ::::''The Parting of the Ways'', just before the regeneration, establishes that Rose forgot much about her experience as the Bad Wolf. | ||
::It's also possible, remembering that Rose had access to the TARDIS in the alternate timeline, that she somehow got it to communicate with the real-time TARDIS and have it project the imagery, perhaps as a fail-safe in case Donna was unable to remember the message. | ::It's also possible, remembering that Rose had access to the TARDIS in the alternate timeline, that she somehow got it to communicate with the real-time TARDIS and have it project the imagery, perhaps as a fail-safe in case Donna was unable to remember the message. | ||
:::::It is said in dialogue from Rose that 'one word in | :::::It is said in dialogue from Rose that 'one word in the wrong place and whole worlds can change". perhaps this is the case if she whispers it to Donna as she is dying, the idea spreads through to the real world | ||
* In Donna's universe, the Adipose still came to Earth. In this universe, the Adipose breeding planet would not have been lost (not stolen by the Daleks) and they would have no reason to come to Earth. | * In Donna's universe, the Adipose still came to Earth. In this universe, the Adipose breeding planet would not have been lost (not stolen by the Daleks) and they would have no reason to come to Earth. | ||
::The Adipose breeding planet could have been lost or rendered unusable by other means. | ::The Adipose breeding planet could have been lost or rendered unusable by other means. | ||
:::Who says this universe didn't have its own reality bomb? Obviously due to how the reality bomb works (destroying EVERY universe) it would have to end up failing in some way in every universe, but who's to say it doesn't exist? | |||
* How did Sarah Jane, Luke, Maria and Clyde all die if Maria and Luke had not yet met Clyde? Also, presumably Maria had no contact with Sarah Jane and Luke between the defeat of the [[Bane (Invasion of the Bane)|Bane]] and the attack by the [[Slitheen]]. | * How did Sarah Jane, Luke, Maria and Clyde all die if Maria and Luke had not yet met Clyde? Also, presumably Maria had no contact with Sarah Jane and Luke between the defeat of the [[Bane (Invasion of the Bane)|Bane]] and the attack by the [[Slitheen]]. | ||
::It's never specifically stated when in the timeline Maria meets Sarah Jane, though it's generally assumed that the events of [[Invasion of the Bane]] and [[Revenge of the Slitheen]] take place after the [[Battle of Canary Wharf]], but before [[Saxon]]'s election. This episode would seem to put them before [[Smith and Jones]]. Also, with the Doctor being dead, it's made clear that Sarah Jane took on a more proactive role, so events may have progressed differently. | ::It's never specifically stated when in the timeline Maria meets Sarah Jane, though it's generally assumed that the events of [[Invasion of the Bane]] and [[Revenge of the Slitheen]] take place after the [[Battle of Canary Wharf]], but before [[Saxon]]'s election. This episode would seem to put them before [[Smith and Jones]]. Also, with the Doctor being dead, it's made clear that Sarah Jane took on a more proactive role, so events may have progressed differently. | ||
:::''[[The Secret Lives of Monsters (short story)|Secret Lives of Monsters]]'' dates ''Smith and Jones'' as happening on 4 June 2008. ''Revenge of the Slitheen'' happens three months later. Either something happened in this timeline to make the full Bannerman Road gang come together at an earlier date, or it's an honest-to-god continuity error. | |||
* How did the Sontarans put their ATMOS plot in motion if Martha was dead (She was used as a clone to infiltrate UNIT) and Britain (Where Luke Rattigan is from and the main ATMOS factory is located) was economically crippled? | * How did the Sontarans put their ATMOS plot in motion if Martha was dead (She was used as a clone to infiltrate UNIT) and Britain (Where Luke Rattigan is from and the main ATMOS factory is located) was economically crippled? | ||
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:::Indeed, no stories broadcast after ''Turn Left'' should be considered because the alternate timeline ends with this episode. | :::Indeed, no stories broadcast after ''Turn Left'' should be considered because the alternate timeline ends with this episode. | ||
::::But ''Planet of the Dead'' is supposedly set before ''Stolen Earth'' (''Planet'' at Easter in 2009, and ''Stolen'' in May/June that same year), meaning it should've still happened during the span of this timeline. | ::::But ''Planet of the Dead'' is supposedly set before ''Stolen Earth'' (''Planet'' at Easter in 2009, and ''Stolen'' in May/June that same year), meaning it should've still happened during the span of this timeline. | ||
:::::That's another one that would have ''totally'' destroyed Earth, instead of simply destabilizing it, so the Trickster probably dealt with that too. | |||
* The police would have noted Donna's death and reported it to her family. At some point someone in the real world would have noticed that there are two Donnas, one of them dead. | * The police would have noted Donna's death and reported it to her family. At some point someone in the real world would have noticed that there are two Donnas, one of them dead. | ||
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* How can the Migrant Bees be disappearing in Donna's World if there was never a Reality Bomb built there? Donna's World is affected by the Reality Bomb from the main timeline, so the Daleks' transmat should only be agitating the Migrant Bees in the Doctor's universe since they, too, are in that universe. | * How can the Migrant Bees be disappearing in Donna's World if there was never a Reality Bomb built there? Donna's World is affected by the Reality Bomb from the main timeline, so the Daleks' transmat should only be agitating the Migrant Bees in the Doctor's universe since they, too, are in that universe. | ||
:: | ::As with pretty much question from this page, it could've happened for another reason. | ||
* Would the death of a ninth of the US population really stop financial aid from being given? | * Would the death of a ninth of the US population really stop financial aid from being given? | ||
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* How would Sarah Jane have gotten to the hospital on the moon? Also if she did, why was she not there in the original timeline? She couldn't have known the Doctor was at the hospital, so surely she would still have gone and tried to save the day in the original too. | * How would Sarah Jane have gotten to the hospital on the moon? Also if she did, why was she not there in the original timeline? She couldn't have known the Doctor was at the hospital, so surely she would still have gone and tried to save the day in the original too. | ||
** It was suggested above that Sarah took on a more proactive role after the Doctor's death. Perhaps this newfound proactiveness saw her keeping a closer eye on more alien activity, which allowed her to see the same hints that brought the Doctor to the hospital. | ** It was suggested above that Sarah took on a more proactive role after the Doctor's death. Perhaps this newfound proactiveness saw her keeping a closer eye on more alien activity, which allowed her to see the same hints that brought the Doctor to the hospital. | ||
*What happened to Toshiko as she doesn't die in the alternate reality? | |||
::But she is dead? Grey still shoots her and she bleeds to death in the Torchwood 3 Medical Bay. That doesn't change because the Doctor did not affect that event in anyway. Same reason Owen and Suzie are also dead as well. The only change for Torchwood is Jack is imprisoned by the Sontarans and Gwen and Ianto die defeating them. Its all there in the episode. | |||
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