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 I thought "since I was a little boy" line went hand-in-hand with Cassandra's other errors in memory re: classical music and iPods and such. I.e.: she was so old that her memory was failing her and she was attempting to bluff her way through with half-remembered knowledge.[[Special:Contributions/82.25.159.211|82.25.159.211]] 21:59, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
-I think since she's from the far far distant future she wouldn't know the difference between a Jukebox and an iPod. It's less of a memory thing and more of a history isn't always accurate thing. The "since I was a little boy" could be more of a culture disconnect than a forgotten knowledge thing. {{unsigned-anon|99.125.248.203}}
+:I think since she's from the far far distant future she wouldn't know the difference between a Jukebox and an iPod. It's less of a memory thing and more of a history isn't always accurate thing. The "since I was a little boy" could be more of a culture disconnect than a forgotten knowledge thing. {{unsigned-anon|99.125.248.203}}
-True, but as evidenced by her speaking when inhabiting/possessing Rose, she uses a lot of words wrong. I think that is part of her character, and until there is any verifiable evidence from a valid source that she was indeed born as a male, the fact that she is transgender should at least include a note stating that this may not be true. [[User:Kgk4569|Kgk4569]] [[User talk:Kgk4569|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:35, April 22, 2016 (UTC)
+::True, but as evidenced by her speaking when inhabiting/possessing Rose, she uses a lot of words wrong. I think that is part of her character, and until there is any verifiable evidence from a valid source that she was indeed born as a male, the fact that she is transgender should at least include a note stating that this may not be true. [[User:Kgk4569|Kgk4569]] [[User talk:Kgk4569|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:35, April 22, 2016 (UTC)
-I'm pretty sure that line is intentional, on the part of the writers, as a way of showing that by Cassandra's time, gender isn't viewed in the same strict confines as it is in modern days. Compare it to when we meet Jack, in Empty Child/Doctor Dances, and the Doctor tells Rose that in his time, humankind 'dances' with everyone, regardless of gender. Unless we're shown explicitly otherwise, Cassandra should most certainly be listed as being a MTF transgender woman. [[User:BeneathThePlass|BeneathThePlass]] [[User talk:BeneathThePlass|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:00, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
+:::I'm pretty sure that line is intentional, on the part of the writers, as a way of showing that by Cassandra's time, gender isn't viewed in the same strict confines as it is in modern days. Compare it to when we meet Jack, in Empty Child/Doctor Dances, and the Doctor tells Rose that in his time, humankind 'dances' with everyone, regardless of gender. Unless we're shown explicitly otherwise, Cassandra should most certainly be listed as being a MTF transgender woman. [[User:BeneathThePlass|BeneathThePlass]] [[User talk:BeneathThePlass|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:00, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
+::::No, she will be listed as whatever the '''story''' says, not whatever we outside of the story say. That's the way this wiki works. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:11, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
+:::::The '''story''' says she is Lady Cassandra, a woman, who was once a little boy. So there you have it. [[User:BeneathThePlass|BeneathThePlass]] [[User talk:BeneathThePlass|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:13, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
+:: Let's stick to what the story tells us. We do recount that she says she was once a little boy. It's not relevant anywhere else in the article. And a villain characterised as having had too many surgeries, who's said to have lost their humanity along the way, would not be the best of representation, anyhow.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 05:18, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
+:Has anyone considered that she might be non-binary in some way? This could explain how she enjoyed having both Rose's and the 10th Doctor's bodies, and also account for her referring to herself as "a little boy" in her past. I don't think there's enough evidence for it to be confirmed, but I don't think we can rule it out as a possibility. [[Special:Contributions/86.165.56.134|86.165.56.134]]<sup>[[User talk:86.165.56.134#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 == Deletion ==
 I don't think finding Delta is that difficult. At the top of the page, you can click on the more symbol and find delta after scrolling along the Greek line. However, if what Anthrcer syas about its official spelling in reference work being in fact Dot Delta Seventeen, then it should possibly be renamed that. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 14:21, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
+== An anecdote about Cassandra ==
+I find it really funny that Cassandra is possibly trans when her talk of "purity" is so fundamentally TERFy. RTD made Cassandra a joke for the future without even knowing it. -- [[User: NotTheMindProbe|NotTheMindProbe]] 10:24, December 31 2021 (UTC)
+:Just so you know, talk pages are only for discussing changes to the page. [[User:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack &#34;BtR&#34; Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:44, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
+::Apologies. Should I delete this section? --[[User:NotTheMindProbe|NotTheMindProbe]] [[User talk:NotTheMindProbe|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:53, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
+::: Users should not delete messages from talk page. This could be construed as trying to alter the record to remove the "evidence" of your own errors. <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 04:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
+== Slur removal ==
+Eskimo is an exonym/slur, I think that it should be changed to Inuit, regardless of the orginal wording from the show.
+--JediDude6205 ☎ 01:26, 01 January 2024 (UTC)
+: As per {{w|Eskimo|Wikipedia}}, while it's a tricky thing because "Eskimo" ''is'' a somewhat outdated term, it's a misconception that it's synonymous with "Inuit", as it also covers several other populations. Even if we were going to censor it as you suggest, cannot assume the term should be replaced by "Inuit" specifically. But — also as Wikipedia highlights — while outdated/controversial, it's not on the level of being a slur which it's beyond the pale to reproduce in historical context, like recording that a piece of fiction from 20 years ago used it; more like "negro" than the ''other'' N-word, as it were. But maybe we could add a footnote highlighting that the use of the word by Davies corresponds to an outdated practice, to make sure people don't uncritically pick it up from us? [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 07:33, 9 January 2024 (UTC)