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:::::: (I would be inclined, if that much is agreed upon, to validate the Writers' Comics now and then do a "Part Two" thread to hash out the validity status of the rest.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 19:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC) | :::::: (I would be inclined, if that much is agreed upon, to validate the Writers' Comics now and then do a "Part Two" thread to hash out the validity status of the rest.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 19:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC) | ||
: I don't think it tells us anything that we shouldn't have been assuming all along, but it has come to my attention that [[Peter Anghelides]] recently [https://peteranghelides.wordpress.com/2023/11/15/the-baktek-illusion/ wrote at length] about the making of ''[[The Baktek Illusion (comic story)|The Baktek Illusion]]''. Most notable is the fact that this was ''anything but'' the B"BC Writers" creating the comics at home using the app, and then the BBC agreeing to highlight them: the scripts were formally commissioned, and in most cases the visualisation was handled internally by the BBC after the scripts were submitted, with Anghelides being unusual in attempting to visualise his script himself. | |||
{{quote|The other was a six-page comic for BBC online, who commissioned it as one of ten stories to demonstrate the capabilities of one of their online interactive elements. (…) Eight of the commissioned authors were TV writers and script editors: Lindsey Alford, Stephen Greenhorn, Keith Temple, Joseph Lidster, Brian Minchin, Paul Cornell and Helen Raynor. Two other professional authors, Jacqueline Rayner and I, were asked to write stories too because of our previous work on ''Doctor Who'' tie-ins. I had written novels, short stories and audio scripts, and was known to the online team as one of the authors of the ''Doctor Who Fear Forecast'' web series. So I wrote the final comic strip of the ten. BBC online suggested that we each submit a script and they would create the online version. I thought the Comic Maker tool was impressive and easy to use, and I wanted to create my own comic with it for them to copy across to the public site.|[[Peter Anghelides]]}} | |||
: I think this really seals the deal that these comics were formal BBC productions. By no reasonable definition were they fan fiction, ''let alone'' the specific, licensing-related definition of fan fiction we use. The old rulings were completely in error about the facts of the case there. | |||
: They might have been prohibited from validity from the old rule against ''promotional'' stories, but with ''that'' policy long overturned, I really think these are a shoe-in for validity. The BBC formally commissioned ''Doctor Who'' scripts from professional writers, and had them visualised ''by other people'' using the Game Maker — they really are no different from e.g. ''[[A Stitch in Time (CC comic story)|A Stitch in Time]]''. I would, as I say, support '''closing this thread in favour of validity for the ten Writers' Comics, while leaving the door open for a distinct thread to discuss the matter of the fan-submitted comics-of-the-week'''. (I think I'm too involved with this discussion to close it myself, though.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 14:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC) | |||