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==Broadcast date==
No offence to "Den of Geek", or to John Barrowman for that matter, but we cannot possibly suggest any broadcast dates for Series 4 at this time. They don't even have a production schedule yet. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 00:48, December 2, 2009 (UTC)


== Cartmel? ==
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== Article name ==


http://www.janetfillingham.com/writersdirect/documents/AndrewCartmelcv_001.pdf
Shouldn't the article be named 'Miracle Day (Torchwood serial)'? Same goes for '[[Series 3 (Torchwood)]]', that should be named 'Children of Earth (Torchwood serial)'. {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 06:47, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
:No need. [[Torchwood: Miracle Day]] and [[Torchwood: Children of Earth]] already redirect to the series 4 and 3 articles. [[User_talk:Digifiend|<font color="red" face="Trebuchet MS"><b>Digifiend</b></font>]] 01:49, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
::It doesn't matter, it isn't called Series 4 (Torchwood), it's called Miracle Day, and so the actual title of the article should reflect this. {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 05:40, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
:::It's called both. Yes, it's subtitled Miracle Day, but this is no different to Power Rangers for example - Power Rangers Zeo was season 4 of Power Rangers. The seasons have individual names but are part of the same show. Likewise, Torchwood Miracle Day is Torchwood series 4. The names don't need changing. [[User_talk:Digifiend|<font color="red" face="Trebuchet MS"><b>Digifiend</b></font>]] 00:24, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
::::It is not called both. It is not 'subtitled' Miracle Day. It is entitled Torchwood: Miracle Day. On advertisements, was it called Torchwood Series 4? No, it was called Miracle day in '''all''' of the promotional and marketing material. The name of the show is called Torchwood: Miracle Day, not Torchwood Series 4. The names do need changing. And Power Rangers is completely irrelevant, this is Torchwood, not Power Rangers, a completely different television series with different production. {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 04:27, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
:I was just using that as a comparison. The point is, Series 4 is a perfectly valid name for this series. There are box sets containing all four series due out. Guess what? CoE and MD are referred to as series 3 and 4! [[User_talk:Digifiend|<font color="red" face="Trebuchet MS"><b>Digifiend</b></font>]] 08:59, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, it's a valid name, but is it the most valid? No. Of course in box sets containing all four series are going to refer to them as Series 3 and Series 4, but if you look at the individual sets, which I have done, they are called Miracle Day and Children of Earth, not 'The Complete Series/Season 3' or any similar title, because that isn't its name. {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 10:15, October 3, 2011 (UTC)


Says Andrew Cartmel is writing "The Jinx" for series 4. Should it go in the rumours folder, or the official writers folder? [[User:N3onkn1ght|N3onkn1ght]] 04:13, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
Five months on, my point still stands. I think the article(s) should be renamed. {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 09:39, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
* Better not either. Just because a script has been submitted or commissioned doesn't mean it'll get made. See [[Stephen Fry]] and [[Moris Farhi]]. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 03:54, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


==Article premature?==
:This article is for information relating to the fourth series of Torchwood, Miracle Day is specifically the 10 episodes that were broadcast.
I'm starting to wonder if the article is premature. Barrowman (per [http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2010/02/barrowman-not-drawn-on-torchwoods.html]) appears to be recanting whether there will be a Series 4. If he's doing Desperate Housewives he might not be available, and there's also the question of an American series. I'm not quite read to toss a proposed deletion tag on this, because there is some information to be had (i.e. the Cartmel item above), but there is a lot of unsourced speculation here, too. We should seek consensus but I would be happy to perhaps condense this all down into a subsection of the main Torchwood article until the BBC actually announces whether it's making it. We know Sarah Jane is going into production, but there's been little said for certain about Torchwood. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 03:53, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
:Much like [[Season 16 (Doctor Who 1963)|Season 16]] was released as "The Key to Time", we use the season number, the case is the same with [[Season 23 (Doctor Who 1963)|Season 23]] which is referred to as "The Trial of a Time Lord". In the former it's the name of the how the stories were packaged when released on VHS/DVD and in the latter it's the name of the story that covers the length of the season. In both cases the article covers information from throughout the season. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 12:25, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
== I hope it does! ==
 
I'm a massive fan of Torchwood so I hope it comes. [[User:Trikster87|Trikster87]], 12:47, 6th April 2010 (UTC)
 
== US version? ==
 
Please, please, ''please'' never let this happen. I know what happened to the superbly brilliant Life on Mars when it got 'ported' to the US, and the result is just... ''horrible''. US versions of British shows almost always suffer like that... -- [[User:Sorceror Nobody|Sorceror Nobody]] 18:58, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Confirmed ==
 
I've added that the BBC has confirmed this series, and that it isn't a US remake but instead will be a new series that will feature the original team in the US and elsewhere. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 17:53, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Yes! ==
I'm pleased to hear Torchwood's returning for a ten-part series. Trikster87
==Matt Smith==
I have heard rumors that Matt Smith as The Doctor may appear in the new series of Torchwood, is there anything confirming that?
 
== Television Critics Association ==
 
Many announcements from Starz panel:
 
via http://twitter.com/HitFixDaniel
 
Rhys and the baby will be featured.
 
Episode titles include "Badlands" "Gates of Heaven" "The Thin Red Line" and "The New World." (The New World seems like an overarching title a la "Children of Earth")
 
Rex is as of yet uncast.
 
via http://twitter.com/TVTango
 
Rex will be a CIA agent
 
Premiere on Starz will be Summer 2011
 
via http://twitter.com/AfterElton
 
John Hart will not appear
 
== Who will die next? ==
 
Not to sound cynical but we all know its going to happen (unless RTD has an original dark idea) that one or more charecters will be killed off. So who do you think will be next? Bare in mind you can not include Jack for obvious reasons and we all know Gwen is RTD's favourite so she wont go. Me personally I believe Andy will be the next to die has he is almost a memeber of the team. Has for the new charecters I would give them at best a season, and at worst they will be all if not dead by the end. Im not trying to dis RTD but lets face it the man has a habbit of leaving dea bodies through this show. Might as well rought for the bad guys in this season:>
 
Please note, talk pages are for discussion of changes to the articles, not for speculation discussion of plot holes etc. That belongs in forums. Do not post here to ask this kind of thing again. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 09:22, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Jane Espenson ==
 
Jane has confirmed in discussion with me on twitter she is writing episode seven. She also spoke about Russell T Davies and said "his notes are making my scripts tougher, sexier, funnier, realer." @janeespenson
 
==Article needs to be updated==
As an unregistered user I can't add this info myself, but the article needs to be updated to indicate the casting of Mekhi Phifer as Rex (per the LA Times' Zap 2 It news page [http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/12/torchwood-mekhi-phifer-joins-the-team.html here]). [[Special:Contributions/68.146.64.9|68.146.64.9]] 15:09, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Bill Pullman ==
 
Bill Pullman has been cast as Oswald Jones, and the article announcing his cast also seems to say he's a series regular now. [http://www.deadline.com/2010/12/bill-pullman-joins-torchwood-as-regular/] --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 23:59, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Name Name ==
 
WOw every thing we need to know has come up in the last 24 hours!!! I think we should keep the "new world" Redirect [[User:Joshoedit|Joshoedit]] 07:05, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 
==Funny Twist ==
Am I the only one who can se the joke with this new development? That the man who has got a llove of killing everyone in his show is now letting everybody live. Either the universe has a twisted sence of humor or RTD is a hipocryt.:- Mad Mad Mackrel
 
Good point. I didn't notice that. [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 13:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 
== The Jack and Gwen show==
So let me get this straight the thing thats gonna bring Jack back to Earth is his "unsated love for Gwen Cooper">.< Well I guess we are gonna pretend the last three seasons didnt happen then? I guess Jack cant keep a promise to a dead man to save his life. If this was how it was going to be why didnt those two hook up to begin with it would have made the angst of the last two years vanish or are the writers hoping to make a Jack Gwen Rhys love triangle? No wonder the Save Ianto people are mega pissed off at the moment. : DynaStar 12
 
== Some state-side filming will take place in or around Los Angeles ==
So, I don't have edit privileges, so I'd love if someone could add this to the rumors or production section. I took these photos today, 5/2/2011 (2/5/2011 for us in the USA). These were taken in a furniture liquididator's shop that rents props for movies/TV.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27674962@N02/5419083965/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27674962@N02/5419687082/
So, some filming of a "nurses station" will take place somewhere near LA (no way they ship rented office chairs more than 50 miles just to film a nurses station". Presumably more shooting will take place in LA. [[User:Adam Berman|Adam Berman]] 21:35, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
New Books
 
 
They have started realising prequel books for the series, you can look at the details on Amazon. They are not being well receved so far. Seams the Ianto fans and the COE haters have gone from angry to apathetic. Seams Gwenwood is not that intresting. : One eyed Poney
 
==Original or Remake==
Is this thing going to be a continuation of the series or an American duplicate because the newes is giving me mixed signal. One minit we have got the writers saying the show will have a British feel and then another group saying its American. I am worried because if they can make up their mind this will worse than the Life on Mars remake.
 
==New Poster==
This permotional poster is confusing and to be honest just plain sucks. It has nothing to do with the plot in my opinion. I mean if I saw that with no knowledge of the plot I would think it means this season Earth has been turned in to a giant bomb. Seriously the olympics logo make more sense than this. -=-: The Last Angry Fan
 
How do you know that it has nothing to do with the plot. Since all that has been released is a brief synopsis about nobody dying, for all we know the Earth could be turned into a giant bomb. Its unlikely, but anything's possible.
 
That may be but I still wish they would give us a little more plot detail and stop teasing us with tidbits. The lack of deffinate information and detail is seriously worrying me about this new season. -=: The Last Angry Fan
 
Well at least the BBC can make a decent poster. I can now not watch and feel content they got at least one thing right. =: The Last Angry Fan
 
== John Hart is a rumour ==
 
'''James Marsters has revealed that he is keen to reprise his role as Captain John Hart in the new series of Torchwood.'''
 
A fourth series of the Doctor Who spinoff is currently in production as part of a deal between BBC Worldwide, BBC Wales and US network Starz.
 
The actor told io9: "Russell [T. Davies is] over here [in LA] trying to get an American version of it done. If he doesn't call me, I am going to find him."
 
He added: "I'm into it, just ask Russell."
 
Marsters also confirmed his return to Smallville for the show's final season. However, he admitted that he has no knowledge of upcoming storylines.
 
"I assume [Clark is] going to kick my butt in the end," he joked. "He'll melt me or blow me up into the sun, or something!"
 
He explained that he is equally in the dark with regards to the future of his character Barnabus Greeley on Syfy drama Caprica.
 
"I have no idea. They tell me just as much as anyone has ever told me on television, which is nothing!" he quipped.
 
 
:It a rumour. He wants to return, so we add it to the Series page. If he is return, we add it to the cast list. It's a rumour that is circulating about the Series, so we add it to the Series page. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 19:14, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
:He says he wants to return to the series. Nobody is saying that he will be returning. If someone said that he said he ''was'' returning, then that would be a rumor. However, that is not what is here. He is saying that he ''wants'' to return. He is not saying that he will return. It is not a rumor. Period. So I remove it from the Series page. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:blue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold
Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 19:16, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
::The paragraph should be either/both put into the notes section on the series page and the behind the scenes section of the John Hart page. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 19:18, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
::If he was returning is would be fact and added to the cast list; hence not a rumour. He wants to return, so it's a rumour. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 19:19, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

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Shouldn't the article be named 'Miracle Day (Torchwood serial)'? Same goes for 'Series 3 (Torchwood)', that should be named 'Children of Earth (Torchwood serial)'. Rassilon of Old (Talk - Contribs) 06:47, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

No need. Torchwood: Miracle Day and Torchwood: Children of Earth already redirect to the series 4 and 3 articles. Digifiend 01:49, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't matter, it isn't called Series 4 (Torchwood), it's called Miracle Day, and so the actual title of the article should reflect this. Rassilon of Old (Talk - Contribs) 05:40, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
It's called both. Yes, it's subtitled Miracle Day, but this is no different to Power Rangers for example - Power Rangers Zeo was season 4 of Power Rangers. The seasons have individual names but are part of the same show. Likewise, Torchwood Miracle Day is Torchwood series 4. The names don't need changing. Digifiend 00:24, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
It is not called both. It is not 'subtitled' Miracle Day. It is entitled Torchwood: Miracle Day. On advertisements, was it called Torchwood Series 4? No, it was called Miracle day in all of the promotional and marketing material. The name of the show is called Torchwood: Miracle Day, not Torchwood Series 4. The names do need changing. And Power Rangers is completely irrelevant, this is Torchwood, not Power Rangers, a completely different television series with different production. Rassilon of Old (Talk - Contribs) 04:27, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
I was just using that as a comparison. The point is, Series 4 is a perfectly valid name for this series. There are box sets containing all four series due out. Guess what? CoE and MD are referred to as series 3 and 4! Digifiend 08:59, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it's a valid name, but is it the most valid? No. Of course in box sets containing all four series are going to refer to them as Series 3 and Series 4, but if you look at the individual sets, which I have done, they are called Miracle Day and Children of Earth, not 'The Complete Series/Season 3' or any similar title, because that isn't its name. Rassilon of Old (Talk - Contribs) 10:15, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Five months on, my point still stands. I think the article(s) should be renamed. Rassilon of Old (Talk - Contribs) 09:39, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

This article is for information relating to the fourth series of Torchwood, Miracle Day is specifically the 10 episodes that were broadcast.
Much like Season 16 was released as "The Key to Time", we use the season number, the case is the same with Season 23 which is referred to as "The Trial of a Time Lord". In the former it's the name of the how the stories were packaged when released on VHS/DVD and in the latter it's the name of the story that covers the length of the season. In both cases the article covers information from throughout the season. --Tangerineduel / talk 12:25, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
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