Talk:Twelfth Doctor comic stories

Reverting edit to lead

While I have nothing against adding info from other comic lines, there's just really shaky logic or just out and out speculation in these bits from the lead I reverted.

The Twelfth Doctor's era of comic stories was noted for being fitted with a sense of freedom which had been lacking in the eras of the previous three Doctors. While previously these comics had been heavily monitored by the BBC and the creators of the television show, stopping them from doing things as large as Multi-Doctor stories or ideas as small as showing a door inside the TARDIS, the writers of comics during the Twelfth Doctor's era would often be assisted in doing storylines more heavily connected to the TV series.

Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat worked with at the very least the DWM team before 2014, both in and out of comics. They (and any other Ninth/Tenth/Eleventh Doctor comic team) would invariably have HAD to to include their Doctors and companions on TV so close to their television premieres by working with the RTD and Moffat production teams, as opposed to using their own characters. Also, the 2005-2013 period had several multi-Doctor comic stories. Quoth Jonathan Morris in The Widow's Curse graphic novel:

"I know Clayton quite enjoyed [Death to the Doctor!] but wasn't keen on the flashbacks — in the first draft, the 'crystal of consciousness' was with the Tenth Doctor and Martha and the 'banana' was with the Tenth Doctor and Rose, as I wasn't sure we were allowed to use 'past' Doctors. Nothing happened with the strip until September [2007], when Tom Spilsbury (who had taken over from Clayton as editor of DWM) asked for a second draft. Unlike Clayton, he loved the flashbacks — and wanted more of them, but with old Doctors and companions! I was only too happy to oblige."Jonathan Morris

On top of that, no contrast to the TARDIS door restriction in the Twelfth Doctor era of comics is mentioned.

Like the Eighth Doctor's set of stories, there was also higher chances for comics to create their own story lines and characters set in-between gaps in the televised stories.

Clara Oswald left the show in December 2015 and Bill Potts was introduced in April 2017. That wasn't freedom, that was a necessity. Just like Heather, Wolfie, Majenta, Emily and Matthew in the post-Journey's End Tenth Doctor comics. And pretty much every story is set in gaps between television stories, unless it's free from television continuity completely. And Steven Moffat allowed for many, many gaps post-A Christmas Carol during Amy and Rory's run as the Eleventh Doctor's companions but without Amy and Rory appearing. I recall him saying somewhere he created such gaps specifically with Big Finish's audios in mind.

The Doctor Who Magazine story Doorway to Hell illustrated the Twelfth Doctor meeting the Master as previously played by Roger Delgado, a story made possible by the restoration of Gallifrey in various TV stories making it uncontroversial to feature the return of various Time Lords.

The Master returned in Utopia, The Sound of Drums, Last of the Time Lords and The End of Time during the Tenth Doctor era. Do I even need to go on?

Four Doctors was not only a Multi-Doctor story, but it also featured an appearance by an alternate Twelfth Doctor from the future of a version of TV: Dark Water. Printed with a special thanks notice to Steven Moffat, the story heavily foreshadowed the finale of Series 9 by illustrating how the Twelfth Doctor would react to the death of Clara Oswald.

Doctors and companions reacting to the potential or possible death of other companions is not special or noteworthy. There's many, many, many examples of a companion appearing to die as a red herring or temporarily dying. People mourn people they like when they're gone.

Supremacy of the Cybermen, meanwhile, served as a direct sequel to Hell Bent, showing Rassilon's return after being exiled from Gallifrey. Ghost Stories followed up on the narrative featured in TV: The Return of Doctor Mysterio.

And Prisoners of Time was a sequel to what happened after the events of The Long Game. And a story arc beginning with The Golden Ones appears to be a sequel to The Claws of Axos. The Sycorax make a return appearance in The Widow's Curse. Hunters of the Burning Stone brings back the Tribe of Gum from the original Doctor Who serial, and there's even a comic with the Mels incarnation of River Song released while Matt Smith was the incumbent Doctor. (These last segments could be reinstated as examples where TV continuity is acknowledged, but as a contrast to "a sense of freedom... had been lacking in the eras of the previous three Doctors" and "previously these comics had been heavily monitored by the BBC and the creators of the television show", they make no sense at all.) -- Tybort (talk page) 17:24, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

Holy hell man, if you disagree with the lead just change it. Don't revert hours of work just because of a few minor discrepancies, especially when the original is even worse. I'll go ahead and change the wording, but I'm not accepting a reversal.

And yes, it is notable that the comic era of comics here was able to bring back a time lord without interferance by the BBC, since beforehand only the TV show allowed the franchise to do things like that. It is far more notable that two Twlefth Doctor stories brought back the Master on their own than that DWM got to use Clara.

And if it makes you feel better, I'll use fewer comparisons to the 10th and 11th Doctor's eras. However, as a quick note, doing a sequel to a TV story that just aired is much more notable than doing a sequel about a TV companion that no one has ever cared about. Furthermore, your quotes only seem to confirm that the BBC at one point put heavier restrictions on these comics. And, yes, the door story is real, even if you didn't find it in your quote-hunt.

I remember having to get special dispensation to show a TARDIS corridor in this comic strip. Weren't allowed to show an interior door though.Clayton Hickman

Furthermore there's ample evidence that The Forgotten was only allowed to exist because the scene of the Doctors meeting was fake, and that the BBC would have blocked a real multi-Doctor comic OS25🤙☎️ 17:33, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

Did you not read my point? I didn't deny the veracity of the door story, I said that no contrast from the Twelfth Doctor era is made to said door story from Hickman's time as DWM editor (so it comes off as a non-sequitur). And factual iffiness and borderline speculation is not a disagreement or minor discrepancy. The way you mentioned multi-Doctor stories in the lead ("stopping them from doing things as large as Multi-Doctor stories") seemed to suggest stories with ANY past incarnations, not just a vague definition of "real Multi-Doctor comic". -- Tybort (talk page) 19:12, July 29, 2017 (UTC)