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Right now, [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]] forbids any information about future releases from the wiki. The sole exception is series pages, where anything goes. But this approach is unworkably out of date for a few reasons: | Right now, [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]] forbids any information about future releases from the wiki. The sole exception is series pages, where anything goes. But this approach is unworkably out of date for a few reasons: | ||
* For almost a year, the top trending search on this wiki was [REDACTED], an actor who we still don't even have a page for! By catering to extreme spoilerphobes, we're failing a vast majority of our users, who ''do'' want to read about future cast and crew on the wiki. | * For almost a year, the top trending search on this wiki was [REDACTED], an actor who we still don't even have a page for! By catering to extreme spoilerphobes, we're failing a vast majority of our users, who ''do'' want to read about future cast and crew on the wiki. | ||
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::::: [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Tardis:Where_spoilers_are_allowed?type=revision&diff=3290656&oldid=2819371 Oh never mind]. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 18:33, 25 January 2023 (UTC) | ::::: [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Tardis:Where_spoilers_are_allowed?type=revision&diff=3290656&oldid=2819371 Oh never mind]. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 18:33, 25 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
I agree with the proposal, and I agree it's rather mad we don't have pages for [him] and [her] - they've been announced, we even have photos (and video) of them in costume. People will be searching for information, even said information is sparse. We have a page for [[Series 14 (Doctor Who)|Series 14]], which is in production, (''and ''a page for Series 15!) so why not for the 2 leading actors starring in it? [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC) | I agree with the proposal, and I agree it's rather mad we don't have pages for [him] and [her] - they've been announced, we even have photos (and video) of them in costume. People will be searching for information, even said information is sparse. We have a page for [[Series 14 (Doctor Who)|Series 14]], which is in production, (''and ''a page for Series 15!) so why not for the 2 leading actors starring in it? [[User:FractalDoctor|FractalDoctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
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:I'm also unconvinced about DWM spoilers. These are nowhere near as publicized as the "press release" style announcements and it's far from clear to me that the average fan is ''expected'' to know what's being said in DWM, while they're certainly ''expected'' to know about the four major [REDACTED]s, as well as some of the minor [REDACTED]s. While we can't see the more recent spoiler discussions, I note that Czech brought up a similar point in [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Proposed_change_to_spoiler_policy 2011] with no clear resolution. | :I'm also unconvinced about DWM spoilers. These are nowhere near as publicized as the "press release" style announcements and it's far from clear to me that the average fan is ''expected'' to know what's being said in DWM, while they're certainly ''expected'' to know about the four major [REDACTED]s, as well as some of the minor [REDACTED]s. While we can't see the more recent spoiler discussions, I note that Czech brought up a similar point in [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Proposed_change_to_spoiler_policy 2011] with no clear resolution. | ||
:Something not discussed is spoilers on forums. This is, quite frankly, imperative to our work, and it's stunning to me that people haven't discussed this yet. We will forever be playing a game of catch-up unless we can discuss stories and eras ''before'' they come out and can plan for them. Part of our discussion in [[Tardis:Temporary forums/ | :Something not discussed is spoilers on forums. This is, quite frankly, imperative to our work, and it's stunning to me that people haven't discussed this yet. We will forever be playing a game of catch-up unless we can discuss stories and eras ''before'' they come out and can plan for them. Part of our discussion in [[Tardis:Temporary forums/Archive/Updating the main page & theme]] has stalled out because we simply cannot discuss ''updating the theme further'' without a reconsideration of our spoiler policy! (Do we update our theme for the thing happening in November now? If so, we need to discuss specifics on how to do so. Both things require tweaks to our spoiler policy. I think this is a '''''really important''''' question to answer!) Lest you think this is an isolated incident, let me assure you it is not. [[Can I Help You? (short story)|Can I Help You?]] was announced ''prior'' to our forums going down, and I asked an admin if I should make a thread about it at that time, since it had implications for our merchandising rules. I was told that if it was ruled to be a (valid) story in that thread we would have been retroactively been violating our spoiler rules the entire time. As a result it was put off, and here we stand, two years later. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:10, 25 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
::: Wup-up-up. Setting aside any wider changes, '''these "REDACTED"s are getting silly.''' I have half a mind to declare that, whatever other changes we may or may not create consensus around, '''this specific Forum thread might be exempt from normal T:SPOIL rules under the same terms as a series page with a banner, so that we can, you know, actually know what we're talking about'''. Does anyone here disagree with this? | ::: Wup-up-up. Setting aside any wider changes, '''these "REDACTED"s are getting silly.''' I have half a mind to declare that, whatever other changes we may or may not create consensus around, '''this specific Forum thread might be exempt from normal T:SPOIL rules under the same terms as a series page with a banner, so that we can, you know, actually know what we're talking about'''. Does anyone here disagree with this? | ||
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:I again note that nobody has actually argued for a refocusing of the rules on the spoilerphile, (bullet points 1-3 do not do this), and that this is not a black and white dichotomy. I don't think it unreasonable to suspect that there are US fans who keep up with BBC press releases but have little interest in DWM. Those of us who edit the wiki are the minority. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:42, 27 January 2023 (UTC) | :I again note that nobody has actually argued for a refocusing of the rules on the spoilerphile, (bullet points 1-3 do not do this), and that this is not a black and white dichotomy. I don't think it unreasonable to suspect that there are US fans who keep up with BBC press releases but have little interest in DWM. Those of us who edit the wiki are the minority. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:42, 27 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
::You keep saying or implying that [[T:SPOIL]] barred the Timeless Child leaks from being posted on [[Series 12 (Doctor Who)]], but I quoted [[T:RUMOR]] and it doesn't say anything of the sort. Anyone could have cited an r/Gallifrey thread and put it in the rumours section of [[Series 12 (Doctor Who)]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 19:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC) | ::You keep saying or implying that [[T:SPOIL]] barred the Timeless Child leaks from being posted on [[Series 12 (Doctor Who 2005)]], but I quoted [[T:RUMOR]] and it doesn't say anything of the sort. Anyone could have cited an r/Gallifrey thread and put it in the rumours section of [[Series 12 (Doctor Who 2005)]]. – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 19:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
:: Najawin, I’d suspect people who are unbothered by BBC press releases and keep up with them, but ''are'' somehow bothered by tidbits from DWM, are themselves a pretty tiny minority. And the existence of a vaguely worded spoiler warning is surely better than no spoiler warning? Just because the rules might change, doesn’t mean the wiki will suddenly devolve into a cesspit of chaos. You can have faith that effort will be put in, to make sure the new system works. I’d argue that if there are ‘kinks’, you can’t iron them out of existence pre-emptively, and succumb to analysis paralysis : you actually have to let the process run its course, and then make tweaks along the way if necessary. [[User:TheGreatGabester|TheGreatGabester]] [[User talk:TheGreatGabester|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC) | :: Najawin, I’d suspect people who are unbothered by BBC press releases and keep up with them, but ''are'' somehow bothered by tidbits from DWM, are themselves a pretty tiny minority. And the existence of a vaguely worded spoiler warning is surely better than no spoiler warning? Just because the rules might change, doesn’t mean the wiki will suddenly devolve into a cesspit of chaos. You can have faith that effort will be put in, to make sure the new system works. I’d argue that if there are ‘kinks’, you can’t iron them out of existence pre-emptively, and succumb to analysis paralysis : you actually have to let the process run its course, and then make tweaks along the way if necessary. [[User:TheGreatGabester|TheGreatGabester]] [[User talk:TheGreatGabester|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
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:A: This is obviously unworkable. There are far too many pages for what you're proposing to be feasible. | :A: This is obviously unworkable. There are far too many pages for what you're proposing to be feasible. | ||
:B: DWM ''in particular'' isn't relevant, the question is whether DWM has the same level of status as a BBC press release. Saying that important DWM news will get picked up by mainstream press doesn't move the needle, because mainstream press coverage isn't the standard we're discussing here. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC) | :B: DWM ''in particular'' isn't relevant, the question is whether DWM has the same level of status as a BBC press release. Saying that important DWM news will get picked up by mainstream press doesn't move the needle, because mainstream press coverage isn't the standard we're discussing here. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
Alright people… final thoughts so we can wrap this up? [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:31, 14 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
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(I'd also suggest that we should update our main page to a theme for the 60th specials sooner rather than later, but that might require its own heading. Technically as my specific idea would have a picture of Tate it would be a spoiler, otherwise it's not really something we need to discuss until we worry about getting ahead of S14.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC) | (I'd also suggest that we should update our main page to a theme for the 60th specials sooner rather than later, but that might require its own heading. Technically as my specific idea would have a picture of Tate it would be a spoiler, otherwise it's not really something we need to discuss until we worry about getting ahead of S14.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
:As for the main page thing, we already have that discussion ongoing at [[Tardis:Temporary forums/ | :As for the main page thing, we already have that discussion ongoing at [[Tardis:Temporary forums/Archive/Updating the main page & theme]]. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:02, 30 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
::The only reason we couldn’t finish the discussion on the 27th was because of the damn spoiler policy. As soon as the spoiler issue is out of the way, we can get back to finishing up discussions for that one. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC) | ::The only reason we couldn’t finish the discussion on the 27th was because of the damn spoiler policy. As soon as the spoiler issue is out of the way, we can get back to finishing up discussions for that one. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
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:I forgot to mention it but I am strongly in favor that, being able to rework the main page to match an upcoming era of the show [[User:Time God Eon|Time God Eon]] [[User talk:Time God Eon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | :I forgot to mention it but I am strongly in favor that, being able to rework the main page to match an upcoming era of the show [[User:Time God Eon|Time God Eon]] [[User talk:Time God Eon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
::As Najawin said… we are nearing the deadline of this thread, which currently means we have today plus 2 days more until this entire thread has to be resolved and closed. Unless we give it 3 more weeks to run. Which in turn means that we have to also add 3 more weeks to [[Tardis:Temporary forums/ | ::As Najawin said… we are nearing the deadline of this thread, which currently means we have today plus 2 days more until this entire thread has to be resolved and closed. Unless we give it 3 more weeks to run. Which in turn means that we have to also add 3 more weeks to [[Tardis:Temporary forums/Archive/Updating the main page & theme]] again, which by the way is also about to run out of time again. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:13, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::: I am in fact gearing up to close this on time! But yes, by all means keep discussing the main page thing (and any other salient points) until then. That being said, it ''is'' perfectly normal for a thread with such a broad scope as this one to offer a partial closure to some of the main points, while pushing off particular points of contention to their own threads. That's what we did with the subpage policy thread, for example, and what I did in my closing post of the tabbed-galleries thread. I'm not convinced we'll need to for the main page thing, but it'd be a perfectly normal thing to do. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 13:34, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | :::: I am in fact gearing up to close this on time! But yes, by all means keep discussing the main page thing (and any other salient points) until then. That being said, it ''is'' perfectly normal for a thread with such a broad scope as this one to offer a partial closure to some of the main points, while pushing off particular points of contention to their own threads. That's what we did with the subpage policy thread, for example, and what I did in my closing post of the tabbed-galleries thread. I'm not convinced we'll need to for the main page thing, but it'd be a perfectly normal thing to do. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 13:34, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
I'm well aware, which is why I am actively imploring people to discuss this issue before the deadline so it's not just me shouting into the void that this should happen. (Indeed, if it ''doesn't'' happen, our extension of [[Tardis:Temporary forums/ | I'm well aware, which is why I am actively imploring people to discuss this issue before the deadline so it's not just me shouting into the void that this should happen. (Indeed, if it ''doesn't'' happen, our extension of [[Tardis:Temporary forums/Archive/Updating the main page & theme]] will be completely for nothing, since that was extended ''in large part to have this discussion''.) Please, discuss, even if you just want to say "agree" or "disagree". In order for the precise redesign to the main page to be decided on, we need to pin down this policy. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:47, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
: I agree with having the main page updated to reflect the incoming era. I would also like to note that I am strongly considering giving the main page thread another extension as it's not really a traditional policy thread and could definetly benefit from more time (other than issues with spoilers, I know that I have many ideas that I haven't yet had time to actually try drafting up and others may feel the same). [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:45, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | : I agree with having the main page updated to reflect the incoming era. I would also like to note that I am strongly considering giving the main page thread another extension as it's not really a traditional policy thread and could definetly benefit from more time (other than issues with spoilers, I know that I have many ideas that I haven't yet had time to actually try drafting up and others may feel the same). [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:45, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | ||
::Agreed. [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:49, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::: I also agree about changing the main page. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 15:58, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::: I agree as well. [[User:Pluto2|Pluto2]][[User talk:Pluto2|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::: I also agree about changing the main page :) [[User:FractalDoctor|Fractal Doctor]] [[User talk:FractalDoctor|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
::::: It entirely depends on how the information is displayed as to whether I agree or not. If it only focusses on one upcoming series at a time (focus on Fourteen before we get to Fifteen) and is kept simple, then it could work. Personnally, I think we should scrap the whole "Your friends" and "your crew" sections altogether, and instead make the main page more introductory to the whole show, rather than just the current era, with links to pages like [[The Doctor]] (with a picture of the latest one to appear, which would be Fourteen in this instance), [[companion]]s (a picture of Donna would probably be best right now), the [[The Doctor's TARDIS|TARDIS]], etc. Links to the most recent series/special and possibly the upcoming one could also be relevant. All i all, I think the main page should reflect the wiki, which is an encyclopedia, not a promotional site. [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:21, 13 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
(So the specifics will be decided on the other thread, but ''my'' thought was going to be pictures of Tennant, Tate, 14, Donna, Davies, Tranter, Gardner and the Bad Wolf Studios logo, two rows of 4, a short paragraph or two discussing the 60th, maybe including links to Quickstart guides/summaries of the story to catch people up, and then pivot to the wiki as a whole. For S14 it would be functionally identical but with Ncuti/15, Gibson/Ruby, maybe some slight tweaks, and then we can redesign it at S15. (We might want to not do Tranter and Gardner after the 60th, for instance.) I think the current approach has way too much current era stuff, but I'm fine with there being a brief bit at the top.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:58, 13 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
Alright people… final thoughts so we can wrap this up? [[User:Danniesen|Danniesen]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:32, 14 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
: I want the spoilers. [[User:Cookieboy 2005|Cookieboy 2005]] [[User talk:Cookieboy 2005|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:51, 14 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Conclusion == | |||
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Alright… this is going to be a long one. | |||
Few other topics are as divisive in a given fandom space as spoilers. This makes setting down any policy tricky, because true consensus is impossible — for any policy short of "no spoilers whatsoever anywhere", there will always be people earnestly distressed and outraged by whatever lingering presence spoilers are granted; and the reverse holds. Provided anybody's paying attention in the first place, I am fully expecting a minor but strident amount of outcry on Twitter or Reddit about our newfound spoileriness. This is inevitable and we should not worry about it too much. For better or for worse, '''we must accept that we can't please everyone, and just try to be the most useful resource we can to the highest number, while trying to be ''graceful'' about the ways in which we'll contradict the wishes of the more spoilerphobic side.''' | |||
And I think this thread makes clear that '''the editing community's consensus is in favour of loosening the [[Tardis:Spoiler policy|spoiler policy]] by a very significant amount'''. I am particularly struck by the way multiple people who describe themselves as spoilerphobes have come out in support of it. To be more exact, people are in favour of widening our coverage '''officially-released information about upcoming releases (e.g. BBC Press Releases, Arcbeatle Press's social media), but not leaks'''. | |||
As regards the much-debated point about giving BBC Press Releases special treatment vs. covering lower-profile official resources like DWM, I ultimately find Nate's point that… | |||
{{quote|…y differentiating between BBC announcements on the one hand and DWM announcements on the other, the existence of a /Spoilers subpage link would be a much worse spoiler than otherwise. In contrast, by adopting a "maximalist" view of what's covered on /Spoilers, we'd be diluting the meaning of such a subpage's existence and protecting spoilerphobes in the process.|User:NateBumber}} | |||
…to be the most persuasive. | |||
Some specifics: | |||
* Obviously, the hitherto-technically-policy-breaching existence of '''pages such as [[List of future releases]] is now enshrined'''. | |||
* As pointed out by [[User:NateBumber]], as per [[T:RUMOUR]] '''do actually seem to allow some unofficial spoilers on specific sections of series pages, with rigorous sourcing. This seems to have worked well so far, but should not be extended to the new types of spoiler pages except for the ones about individual upcoming works''' (which extend most naturally from the series pages that T:RUMOUR currently applies to). | |||
* The practice of '''{{tlx|spoiler}}-tagged pages about upcoming series''' should be '''extended to pages about individual works'''. | |||
* '''Pages about DWM issues, or other notable publications, which discuss spoilery information from a real-world perspective, ought to present the spoilers on the main page, but be tagged with a {{tlx|spoiler}} banner'''. | |||
* '''<nowiki>[[/Spoiler]]</nowiki> subpages ought to be created''' to document spoilers about real-world figures who already have non-spoilery relevance to the DWU, such as [[Catherine Tate]]. (In contrast, [[Ncuti Gatwa]] can just be created at [[Ncuti Gatwa]].) {{tlx|NateBumber/Spoilerlink}} should be moved into the main namespace to facilitate this. There seems to be some minor disagreement on the specific shape of this template; if people want to discuss at greater length whether the note, a collapsible box, a banner, a link in the infobox, etc. would be best, '''this can be discussed at [[Template_talk:Spoilerlink]].''' | |||
* '''Official spoilers are also allowed in Forum threads when necessary, but spoilery threads should be flagged as such'''. As [[User:Najawin]] suggested, within the limits of practicality, the thread title should additionally strive not to contain overt spoilers, and it should itself '''specify that the thread will contain spoilers'''. (For example, a thread to discuss ahead of release whether we should consider the 60th anniversary specials to be part of [[Series 14 (Doctor Who)]] could be called something like <nowiki>[[Tardis:Temporary forums/Slot 4: Spoiler: How to lump future specials and series]]</nowiki>, remaining as broad and possible instead of e.g. talking about "the Tennant specials and Gatwa's first series".) | |||
* Note that '''public statements by individual members of a story's production team can count as "official"'''; for example, posts onm [[Russell T Davies|Russell T. Davies]]'s or [[Ncuti Gatwa]]'s social media have clearly been part of the official promotional strategy for the 60th anniversary and Series 14, and we shouldn't act like it makes a world of difference whether a given information comes from RTD's account vs. the ''Doctor Who'' count. If there is ever uncertainty, a duly-tagged Forum thread can be used to discuss ''whether'' a given piece of information is fair game for spoiler-tagged pages, or if it constitutes a leak. '''A specific template to flag such threads as "even spoilerier than normal spoiler threads" should be created.''' (The point, made a couple of times, about [[Howling:The Howling]] ''was'' considered at some length, but ultimately, I think it would confuse matters to start carrying out policy-changing discussions on the Howling, which has always been more of a free-for-all fun-zone.) | |||
* '''Official spoilers are theoretically allowed on the main page.''' To what extent is a matter for [[Tardis:Temporary_forums/Slot_3:_Updating_the_main_page_%26_theme|the "main page" thread to decide]]. | |||
* Regarding trailers, '''images from trailers can be used on the appropriate spoiler-tagged pages'''. Trailers and other promotional pieces which constitute original fiction in themselves, and thus would warrant coverage aside from spoilers, '''can now have pages created about them even before the release of the thing they advertise''', but '''should of course be tagged as spoilery pages and kept out of Lists of Appearances until they are no longer spoilery'''. (Note that the specifics of this may, or may not, be revised by a future thread geared towards validating some narrative trailers. This would not constitute a [[T:BOUND]]/[[T:POINT]] breach.) | |||
* '''Spoilers, including leaks, are allowed on sandboxes so long as they are appropriately tagged, whether with {{tlx|spoiler}} or with the leaks-specific template discussed above'''. | |||
* As [[User:Tangerineduel]] stated: | |||
{{quote|Any pages that contain spoilers will need to be edit locked to unregistered users, which will slow down any speculative editing.|User:Tangerineduel}} | |||
Thank you to anyone who's read this far; and a preemptive thank-you, also, to everyone who'll participate in the work to overhaul the Wiki in light with these new and exciting times! [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 15:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
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