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:And finally, I don't know that it's quite ''relevant'' what Capaldi says here. My contention has never been that every person involved didn't intend for the work to count. Certainly I don't believe that. My contention is that the R4 intent has been far more messy than people are portraying it as, and I think there's a substantial bit of evidence that the people primarily working on the game itself think of the game writ large as being fully LEGO based. Surely in the past we've had R4 discussions where ''some'' of the people involved thought their work counted and some didn't, and still taken the latter R4 intent to be sufficient to disqualify it. (Shalka springs to mind, see [[User:CzechOut]]'s comments at [[Thread:207499]] in [[User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates 1]].) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC) | :And finally, I don't know that it's quite ''relevant'' what Capaldi says here. My contention has never been that every person involved didn't intend for the work to count. Certainly I don't believe that. My contention is that the R4 intent has been far more messy than people are portraying it as, and I think there's a substantial bit of evidence that the people primarily working on the game itself think of the game writ large as being fully LEGO based. Surely in the past we've had R4 discussions where ''some'' of the people involved thought their work counted and some didn't, and still taken the latter R4 intent to be sufficient to disqualify it. (Shalka springs to mind, see [[User:CzechOut]]'s comments at [[Thread:207499]] in [[User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates 1]].) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
::What I should have said about Portal is: the quote that you're talking about comes from a Valve spokesperson and is thus ultimately irrelevant to this conversation. Like, realistically, canon has a very different meaning for that franchise and it makes sense that the people behind Portal would say that about a game that isn't even playable on PC, and they're licensees so their statement doesn't make sense to apply to other properties in the game, no more than Steven Moffat could declare the Simpsons levels un-canon to the Simpsons. As this is a statement from the people behind the Portal property, all it tells us is that Lego Dimensions is officially not canon to the Portal games, not that the Portal games are non-canon to Lego Dimensions. "Dimensions" are fictional concepts in their own right, and I think it's a leap to say that because the Lego Portal Dimension is not considered by its licensees to be part of their official continuity that the Lego Dimension is therefore itself a discrete continuity, because that border is uni-directional and the statement 'that game is not canon to our series' does not equate to 'that game is in a separate universe in the multiverse". I think that all the multiverse content of this game confuses the conversation, when in truth we could compare this situation to the fact that [[Dimensions in Time (TV story)|Dimensions in Time]] being non-canon to ''[[EastEnders (series)|EastEnders]]'' shouldn't have a bearing on its relation to ''Doctor Who''. | |||
::Since we're talking about the intent of the people making this thing, the Burton interview is far more relevant, but as I said in my previous post his talk about the comedy of Lego Gandalf is just as much in reference to the ''Lego Lord of the Rings'' as it is to ''Lego Dimensions''. Burton is talking about the Lego games franchise in general as a parody franchise, and that the parody is about more than the fact that its all Lego. They've always had gags and goofs. The fact that we can see many examples of what their version of parody is means that some of the franchises in Lego Dimensions stand out due to their relative lack of this ''classic Lego video game humour''. The main characters of Lego Dimensions stand out from the worlds they interact with because they originate from previously established Lego universes while the other worlds were established in non-Lego media. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|TheChampionOfTime]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC) |