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:: I'm also unsure what you mean about "massive implications for an in-universe Wiki". The ''Dirk Gently'' stories are small-scale science fiction which don't do anything more radical to the fabric of the universe than the average episode of SJA at most. I can see how one would balk at covering all of ''Hitchhiker's'' or the like, but ''Gently'' — with the possible exception of Barnett, but then I still hesitate to support coverage of ''that'' — ''Gently'' as Adams envisioned and wrote it is pretty painless. (Not that I agree that should be taken into consideration in an inclusion debate; we are here to cover faithfully and unflinchingly, not ever to editorialise.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC) | :: I'm also unsure what you mean about "massive implications for an in-universe Wiki". The ''Dirk Gently'' stories are small-scale science fiction which don't do anything more radical to the fabric of the universe than the average episode of SJA at most. I can see how one would balk at covering all of ''Hitchhiker's'' or the like, but ''Gently'' — with the possible exception of Barnett, but then I still hesitate to support coverage of ''that'' — ''Gently'' as Adams envisioned and wrote it is pretty painless. (Not that I agree that should be taken into consideration in an inclusion debate; we are here to cover faithfully and unflinchingly, not ever to editorialise.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
::: (The Doctor is to the Surgeon is to Dirk Gently as the Cybermen is to the Time Lords is to Chronotis's species) The massive implications is that if we cover the first novel, what really is keeping us from covering the rest? Our current policy (the skeleton of which was established before we sought to include any and all franchises that we could) would establish Dirk as the lead of a Doctor Who spin-off, a la Captain Jack or Bernice Summerfield, and thus would justify coverage of the whole franchise on the Wiki because he's a licensed character that has splintered off. That's 2.5 books, two distinct television series, the radioplays, a stageplay, and a Douglas Adams documentary(?), all of which have characters and settings and whatnot -- and that leaves alone the inevitability of "Well, Hitchhiker's Guide is already pretty connected to the DWU, and we've already got Dirk Gently, which is connected to Hitchhiker's Guide, so we should really cover Hitchhiker's Guide too." I am comfortable covering ''Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency'' if it stopped there, but the truth is I don't trust that it would. As for the use of St. Cedd's in ''The Five Doctors'', it wasn't named, it is merely the backdrop of Emmanuel College. I'm not inclined to say the existence of a real building in the background is a sufficient use for the purposes of coverage. In fact, it's that kind of spurious connection to promote coverage that makes me skeptical about letting in ''Dirk Gently'' at all. [[User:Dewinter|Dewinter]] [[User talk:Dewinter|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::: I disagree with covering the two television series but ''sighs'' current policy seems to me to say that they should be covered and valid, and it'd be a bit of a pain if we didn't, what with the comics, which we can't really avoid covering, if we are to consider Chronotis a DWU element, which we would be silly not to. I don't think this example should be really used as precedent except in certain cases, which should be discussed on a case-by-case basis, with long forum threads such as this one. | ::: I disagree with covering the two television series but ''sighs'' current policy seems to me to say that they should be covered and valid, and it'd be a bit of a pain if we didn't, what with the comics, which we can't really avoid covering, if we are to consider Chronotis a DWU element, which we would be silly not to. I don't think this example should be really used as precedent except in certain cases, which should be discussed on a case-by-case basis, with long forum threads such as this one. |
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