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{{moss|When writing the behind-the-scenes section of an in-universe article, write from the point of view that your subject is fictional.  There should be an obvious perspective shift from the rest of the article.   
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|style="background-color:#8cb82c; padding:10px;"|[[Adam Smith (director)|Adam Smith]] directed the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' story ''[[The Eleventh Hour (TV story)|The Eleventh Hour]]''
|style="background-color:#8cb82c; padding:10px;" rowspan="2"|[[Adam Smith (director)|Adam Smith]] directed the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' story ''[[The Eleventh Hour (TV story)|The Eleventh Hour]]''.
|style="background-color:#e25822; padding:10px;"|Adam Smith is a [[British]] television [[director]] who directed the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' story ''[[The Eleventh Hour]]''<br><br>''(It's unnecessary to use the present tense to call him a British television director. Our emphasis on any behind-the-scenes person is what they did in the [[DWU]] — and everyone's work on the DWU ends up in the past tense.)'''
|style="background-color:#e25822; padding:10px;"|Adam Smith is a [[British]] television [[director (crew)|director]] who directed the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' story ''[[The Eleventh Hour]]''.<br><br>(It's unnecessary to use the present tense to call him a British television director. Our emphasis on any behind-the-scenes person is what they did in the [[DWU]] — and everyone's work on the DWU ends up in the past tense.)
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|style="background-color:#e25822; padding:10px;"|Adam Smith was a [[British]] television [[director (crew)|director]] who directed the ''[[Doctor Who]]'' story ''[[The Eleventh Hour (TV story)|The Eleventh Hour]]''.<br/><br/>(If you're writing about a living person who is still directing, or in any other cases where the sentence is ''describing a person'' and ''still true in the present'', this could wrongly imply that they have already died. The [[Tardis:Point of view#In-universe perspective|end-of-universe perspective]] applies only to [[Tardis:In-universe perspective|in-universe]] pages!)
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|style="background-color:#8cb82c; padding:10px;"|'''Smith and Jones''' was the first episode of the third series of [[BBC Wales]] ''[[Doctor Who]]''.
|style="background-color:#8cb82c; padding:10px;"|'''''Smith and Jones''''' was the first episode of the third series of [[BBC Wales]] ''[[Doctor Who]]''.
|style="background-color:#e25822; padding:10px;"|'''Smith and Jones''' is the first episode of the third series of [[BBC Wales]] ''[[Doctor Who]]''.<br><br>Yes, it ''is''.  But as time passes, people inevitably start thinking of older episodes in the past tense.  It's better to write it in the past tense from the beginning.
|style="background-color:#e25822; padding:10px;"|'''''Smith and Jones''''' is the first episode of the third series of [[BBC Wales]] ''[[Doctor Who]]''.<br><br>(Yes, it ''is''.  But as time passes, people inevitably start thinking of older episodes in the past tense.  It's better to write it in the past tense from the beginning.)
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|style="background-color:#8cb82c; padding:10px;"|Matt Smith played the [[Eleventh Doctor]].   
|style="background-color:#8cb82c; padding:10px;"|[[Ncuti Gatwa]] played the [[Fifteenth Doctor]].   
|style="background-color:#e25822; padding:10px;"|Matt Smith plays the Eleventh Doctor. <br><br>(Yes, he's the current Doctor. No, there are no definite indications that he's leaving soon. But leave he absolutely will. Ultimately, therefore, this article will be converted to past tense. If it's already written in past tense, though, we won't have to rewrite it.)
|style="background-color:#e25822; padding:10px;"|[[Ncuti Gatwa]] plays the [[Fifteenth Doctor]]. <br><br>(Yes, he's the current Doctor. No, there are no definite indications that he's leaving anytime soon. But leave he absolutely will. Ultimately, therefore, this article will be converted to past tense. If it's already written in past tense, though, we won't have to rewrite it.)
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== Behind the scenes sections ==
== Behind the scenes sections ==
Every article about an in-universe subject — that is to say, every article ultimately housed in the mega-category, [[:Category:Time-Space Visualiser]] — can have two distinct components: the main body and the section labelled "behind the scenes".
Every article about an in-universe subject — that is to say, every article ultimately housed in the mega-category, [[:Category:Time-Space Visualiser]] — can have two distinct components: the main body and the section labelled "behind the scenes".
Because in-universe articles are mainly written in past tense, it's usually helpful to employ the '''present tense''' to write behind the scenes sections.  Doing so draws a sharp contrast, as can be seen at "[[L'amour est un oiseau rebelle]]". However, it's not always necessary, or practicable.  For instance, there would be no way to write the "behind the scenes" at [[Marco Polo]] without ''some'' past tense.

Latest revision as of 21:23, 23 July 2024

When writing the behind-the-scenes section of an in-universe article, write from the point of view that your subject is fictional. There should be an obvious perspective shift from the rest of the article.

Alternately, if you're writing an article which is entirely about a real world subject — such as an actor, director or bit of behind-the-scenes terminology — write in a simple, journalistic style, as you would find in a newspaper, obituary or encyclopaedia entry.

There are two instances on this wiki when you will write from an out-of-universe perspective: when you're writing an article that is entirely about a real world subject, or when you're adding to the "behind the scenes" section on an in-universe article.

Real world articles

Real world articles are about production elements, such as actors, stories and filmmaking terminology. Such articles should be written in a straightforward, third-person perspective, such as you would find in any newspaper or encyclopaedia.

It's useful to attempt to write such articles in the past tense as much as possible, since all these articles will ultimately be converted to the past tense, anyway.

Remember, this isn't Wikipedia. We don't have hundreds of editors poised to change an article into the proper tense once a person dies or leaves the Doctor Who production office. We have only a small group of active editors, so it saves time to write real world articles in past tense as much as is practicable.

Here are some common situations:

Correct Incorrect
Adam Smith directed the Doctor Who story The Eleventh Hour. Adam Smith is a British television director who directed the Doctor Who story The Eleventh Hour.

(It's unnecessary to use the present tense to call him a British television director. Our emphasis on any behind-the-scenes person is what they did in the DWU — and everyone's work on the DWU ends up in the past tense.)
Adam Smith was a British television director who directed the Doctor Who story The Eleventh Hour.

(If you're writing about a living person who is still directing, or in any other cases where the sentence is describing a person and still true in the present, this could wrongly imply that they have already died. The end-of-universe perspective applies only to in-universe pages!)
Smith and Jones was the first episode of the third series of BBC Wales Doctor Who. Smith and Jones is the first episode of the third series of BBC Wales Doctor Who.

(Yes, it is. But as time passes, people inevitably start thinking of older episodes in the past tense. It's better to write it in the past tense from the beginning.)
The 414th issue of Doctor Who Magazine was published on 11 November 2009. The 414th issue of Doctor Who Magazine is current in November 2009.

(It's tempting with periodicals to think of the here and now, especially if you're entering them into our database when they're first on newsstands. But they very quickly become back issues, and ultimately slide to a more natural-sounding past tense. Therefore, you should use the past tense from the start.)
Ncuti Gatwa played the Fifteenth Doctor. Ncuti Gatwa plays the Fifteenth Doctor.

(Yes, he's the current Doctor. No, there are no definite indications that he's leaving anytime soon. But leave he absolutely will. Ultimately, therefore, this article will be converted to past tense. If it's already written in past tense, though, we won't have to rewrite it.)

Behind the scenes sections

Every article about an in-universe subject — that is to say, every article ultimately housed in the mega-category, Category:Time-Space Visualiser — can have two distinct components: the main body and the section labelled "behind the scenes".

Because in-universe articles are mainly written in past tense, it's usually helpful to employ the present tense to write behind the scenes sections. Doing so draws a sharp contrast, as can be seen at "L'amour est un oiseau rebelle". However, it's not always necessary, or practicable. For instance, there would be no way to write the "behind the scenes" at Marco Polo without some past tense.