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::Well we do know that material created by script editors in the Classic era ''typically'' followed different copyright rules than work-for-hire, hence, for example, the BBC retaining ownership of most TV companions, or the Master, or the Time Lords. There are, I agree, prominent counter-examples, with ''Lytton'' only the most recent; but equally there ''is'' a long history of the pendulum swinging the other way. | ::Well we do know that material created by script editors in the Classic era ''typically'' followed different copyright rules than work-for-hire, hence, for example, the BBC retaining ownership of most TV companions, or the Master, or the Time Lords. There are, I agree, prominent counter-examples, with ''Lytton'' only the most recent; but equally there ''is'' a long history of the pendulum swinging the other way. | ||
::(As for Sutekh, he's really his own kettle of dogfish. Not only was Holmes rewriting somebody else's script, but also, if you take away the BBC-designed mask, he's fundamentally a public domain character. You ''can'' cast Gabriel Woolfe as the Egyptian God Sutekh without anybody's permission, much as several people did Christopher Lee Dracula films without Hammer Productions; and indeed we know that's what Cutaway have officially done with ''[[Sutekh the Heretic (webcast)|Sutekh the Heretic]]''. It may well be what ''True History'' did as well; it might be notable that ''True History'' has Osirians instead of Osirans, and Servitors instead of Servicers. Then again it may not. Who knows? Magic Bullet's website offers no clarification; I don't think its coverage is in doubt either way.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC) | ::(As for Sutekh, he's really his own kettle of dogfish. Not only was Holmes rewriting somebody else's script, but also, if you take away the BBC-designed mask, he's fundamentally a public domain character. You ''can'' cast Gabriel Woolfe as the Egyptian God Sutekh without anybody's permission, much as several people did Christopher Lee Dracula films without Hammer Productions; and indeed we know that's what Cutaway have officially done with ''[[Sutekh the Heretic (webcast)|Sutekh the Heretic]]''. It may well be what ''True History'' did as well; it might be notable that ''True History'' has Osirians instead of Osirans, and Servitors instead of Servicers. Then again it may not. Who knows? Magic Bullet's website offers no clarification; I don't think its coverage is in doubt either way.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::Fine. In that case the [[Wirrn]] is another example then. There seems to be a difference between things an author introduces "as script editor" such as companions. Vs things they introduce "as a writer" like RTD with the Ood or Moffat with the Paternoster gang. In the end I think the whole thing is sufficiently vague that it is a waste of time to speculate on this stuff. [[User:WarDocFan12|WarDocFan12]] [[User talk:WarDocFan12|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::So that's not ''quite'' true. Contracts changed between the old show and the new, we know that very definitively. The Ood and the Paternoster gang were written by the Showrunners as Writers, which means that they get to have their name attached when the BBC uses them (and they might get some royalties, idk), but the BBC retains full control over them. Again, ''Ark'' was originally written by someone else, [[John Lucarotti]]. It's also not really relevant to this thread, given Scrooge has provided enough evidence to compel me here. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I have some information about the rights of Shada that comes from the gallifrey guardian in DWM #176. The passage reads "Douglas Adams’ three serials The Pirate Planet, City of Death and the unfinished Shada - also have problems both financial and personal in nature. ... Following the abandonment of the strike-hit Shada project as a television story, Adams subsequently reused some of its concepts in his book Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency. '''Since the script remained his copyright, he was fully entitled to do this.''' Adams says he was not happy with the final script for Shada, describing it as “a patch-work quilt of a story” and it was not the story he wanted to write." (emphasis my own) [[User:Neverlast999|Neverlast999]] [[User talk:Neverlast999|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:54, 2 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Were the above not already compelling, this certainly would be. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
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