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I really like that idea, and it would be lots of fun to do, albeit possibly mildly infeasible the further out you get. No thoughts on ways to implement multiple lateral crossovers, or times when a lateral crossover has Crossovers with other lateral crossovers and/or Doctor Who. {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}} 22:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC) | I really like that idea, and it would be lots of fun to do, albeit possibly mildly infeasible the further out you get. No thoughts on ways to implement multiple lateral crossovers, or times when a lateral crossover has Crossovers with other lateral crossovers and/or Doctor Who. {{User:Aquanafrahudy/Sig}} 22:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
: Since this isn't really a timeline (correct me if I'm wrong), could I propose that this not be part of [[Theory:Timey-wimey detector]], but instead constitute a third section on [[Theory:Index]], after Theory:Time-wimey detector and [[Theory:Discontinuity Index]]? That way the topic would have a dedicated "Index" page, which can then branch out from there as required. Potentially providing a solution for Aquana's as well. [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | : Since this isn't really a timeline (correct me if I'm wrong), could I propose that this not be part of [[Theory:Timey-wimey detector]], but instead constitute a third section on [[Theory:Index]], after Theory:Time-wimey detector and [[Theory:Discontinuity Index]]? That way the topic would have a dedicated "Index" page, which can then branch out from there as required. Potentially providing a solution for Aquana's as well. [[User:Danochy|Danochy]] [[User talk:Danochy|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 06:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | ||
:: Not all pages in the TWD are literal timelines. My point of reference for how to format my draft list up there was [[Theory:Timeline - Omniverse]]. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Unconvinced that if we'll do this thinking about "crossovers" is the most helpful way to do this. References to events in other works, an implication that that work takes place in the same universe, seems to me to be of the sort of thing this project would care about, but no elements would clearly cross over. (I also think that not enough care is given to how to handle public domain figures, and talk of "continuities" isn't clearly sufficient.) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::Good point about the public domain figures, which I hadn't previously considered. If you don't mind, would elaborate on how the "continuities" talk isn't sufficient? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::Ostensibly one could reference or portray events that are exclusively in the original public domain works, suggesting that the original, public domain version of the work, is part of the DWU. If this is done, then talking about continuities seems to be a red herring, as ''any'' adaptation of the public domain works that preserves these original facts would seem to be part of the DWU as well. (I mean, the obvious example is [[Dracula]], right?) [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::Not in terms of works that are ''explicitly'' supposed to be alternate continuities, or "alternate timelines", if you prefer. Like the Ninja Turtles; [https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Multiverse the different iterations of the Turtles over the years have been frequently shown to be parallel universe versions]. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
Yes, I realize? I'm talking about how it's not sufficient to talk about various versions of public domain characters. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
: I imagine one might just list the original public domain work, with the understanding that it carries with it the whole contradictory "open-source franchise" its public-domain-ness might have spawned. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:: Okay ahhh… If it's a public domain source, then only count it if it's supposed to be a specific iteration of the work derived from said source. So, Sherlock Holmes has appeared in some media, but he could be classed as a unique, DWU-specific iteration of the character, while the same could not be said for the TV character played by [[Benedict Cumberbatch]]. | |||
:: …I hope to God that made ''some'' sense to somebody. [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::: he could be classed as a unique, DWU-specific iteration of the character | |||
:::[[The Book of the Enemy (short story)|Ahem]]. | |||
:::As for Scrooge's idea, I'm just not sure it solves the problem, because surely some of these adaptations will have their own references. So we still have to have a way to handle them. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::WaltK, I don't think that makes sense. ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', for example, is very much dealing with "the continuity of the specific original A.C. Doyle stories" as much as any other "continuity-specific" crossover; the only puzzle is that you then have thousands of mutually contradictory stories that ''also'' purport to be in continuity with the original Doyle stories, including a multitude of lateral crossovers which it would be pointless to try to list. So I guess the only difference I'd suggest here ''vis a vis'' crossovers with copyrighted properties is that post-public-domain lateral-crossovers shouldn't be listed. | |||
::::(In the event that some non-covered Doyle-compliant Holmes continuation has a DWU reference, or is referenced by the DWU, we could list it as its own sub-bullet-point with that specific source, without forcing ourselves to list every ''other'' Doyle continuation.) --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:14, 6 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
What would prevent this from becoming a second iteration of the Tommy Westphall Universe hypothesis, just with a different focal point and not limited to television? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] [[User talk:Bwburke94|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
: What's that? [[User:WaltK|WaltK]] [[User talk:WaltK|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
: It's a similar project related to the television series ''St. Elsewhere'', which had a lot of similar crossovers. It also has its own (Fandom) wiki [https://tommywestphall.fandom.com/wiki/Tommy_Westphall_Universe here] (though notably it only focuses on television and film crossovers). [[User:Moosana|Moosana]] [[User talk:Moosana|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC) |
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