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: And I reiterate - all deleting it will do is see it get constantly recreated by one user after another. "You make it sound like all you have to is create a redirect and — ''voila!'' —it's all done." Yes, it is, in some respects. Any wrong link will go to the correct page, which sorts the main problem - fixing links can then be done over time. Plus, there should be redirect or disambiguation pages, as the case may be, for working titles or common misnamings. And yes, I do know how tedious fixing links can be - but who said you had to be the only one doing it? You see the creation of this page as impatience. It's not. It's human nature, the desire to be up to date combined with the ease of creating something on a wiki. Once people know the name, people are going to want to start filling in the info, adding in new info as it comes out. [[User:Lokiofmidgaard|Lokiofmidgaard]] 22:34, June 23, 2010 (UTC) | : And I reiterate - all deleting it will do is see it get constantly recreated by one user after another. "You make it sound like all you have to is create a redirect and — ''voila!'' —it's all done." Yes, it is, in some respects. Any wrong link will go to the correct page, which sorts the main problem - fixing links can then be done over time. Plus, there should be redirect or disambiguation pages, as the case may be, for working titles or common misnamings. And yes, I do know how tedious fixing links can be - but who said you had to be the only one doing it? You see the creation of this page as impatience. It's not. It's human nature, the desire to be up to date combined with the ease of creating something on a wiki. Once people know the name, people are going to want to start filling in the info, adding in new info as it comes out. [[User:Lokiofmidgaard|Lokiofmidgaard]] 22:34, June 23, 2010 (UTC) | ||
: Did you read what CzechOut said? It takes ages to fix incorrect links, even with them being fixed automatically, and it is both very annoying and tiring. The page will be deleted and locked so that no-one can create it. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 23:32, June 23, 2010 (UTC) | : Did you read what CzechOut said? It takes ages to fix incorrect links, even with them being fixed automatically, and it is both very annoying and tiring. The page will be deleted and locked so that no-one can create it. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 23:32, June 23, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::No, wrong links won't necessarily go to the correct page under your idea. There are two things that could happen under your idea of "creating now, move later": | |||
::#If we later move ''Death of the Doctor'' to a disambig page, then these links will go to the disambig page, which is a bad link. And the thing is, they'll be harder to notice as errors because they'll be blue links. | |||
::#If we later move ''Death of the Doctor'' to, let's say, ''The Death of the Doctor'', you say that's basically okay because at least it's still blue-linked to the right page. But I say that's still a problem because the link issue is secondary. Now the article has an ''inaccuracy'' in it. But again, it ''looks'' fine, because there's a blue link. | |||
::While I understand the point that it might be nice if we allowed lots of alternative links to things, based upon common misspellings — in that it makes searching slightly easier — it has the ''serious'' downside of allowing articles to become populated with blue-links to misspellings, which wholly negates any searching advantage. I mean, it's possible for someone to believe that the name is [[Padraig Trowton]] or even [[John Pertwee]] — and therefore to put that in the search box — but we don't want to allow people that link for [[Patrick Troughton]] and [[Jon Pertwee]]. As an encyclopedia, we do have a duty to be accurate, not ''approximately'' accurate. Likewise, there are plenty of instances where the placement of an article, like "the" or "an", is absolutely critical ''[[The Daleks]]'' is a materially different thing than [[Daleks]], for instance. And we don't want to give the impression that we believe ''[[The Inferno]]'', ''[[The Pyramids of Mars]]'', or ''[[Ribos Operation]]'' are proper titles. Spelling and accuracy "count" here. Allowing approximate titles of topics is the death knell of accuracy. Allow them, and you'll start to see articles absolutely riddled with lots of misspellings being given the "authority" of a blue link. It's fine to shorten a name once you've already established the full name at the top of an article, but you don't need to start the article off on the wrong foot by being allowed to blue link to a misspelling or misnaming. If you wouldn't allow ''[[The Unearthly Child]]'' — and who among us would, really? — then the most sensible thing to do is to wait and '''know for sure''' what the name of the episode actually is. Just because an episode is new doesn't exempt us from taking the same hard line on its allowable redirects that we use for episodes from 50 years ago. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 23:54, June 23, 2010 (UTC) |
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