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*Why didn't the Macra fly up and kill any people in cars not just in "The Fast Lane" but any where?
*Why didn't the Macra fly up and kill any other people in cars not in the Fast Lane?
THERE GIANT CRABS NOT INSECTS, they don't have wings and they can't fly!
::The Macra are giant crabs. They do not have wings and cannot fly.
 
*If the Face of Boe truly is Jack Harkness, it does not make sense for him to die, since he is immortal.
*If the Face of Boe truly is Jack Harkness, it does not make sense for him to die, since he is immortal.
::Harkness still ages, just at a much slower rate; assuming no further time travel, he's now over 5 billion years old. He also gave the last of his energy to open the motorway; this last energy could have been the energy that was keeping him alive. Also, on several occasions in both Doctor Who and [[Torchwood]], Jack "died" and did not immediately revive until some time later. We don't know for certain if Boe really died. It is also possible that being over 5 billion years old has taken its toll on Jack, perhaps even destroying his Immortality eventually, the effects of the vortex and his luck could have 'run out' as said by Ianto in [[Children of Earth]].
::Jack still ages, just at a much slower rate. Assuming no further time travel, he's now over 5 billion years old.  
:::Furthermore, there's no guarantee that Jack was even telling the truth about his nickname. He could have learned by other means that the Doctor and friends were acquainted with the Face of Boe, and be playing an elaborate joke on them.
::Jack gave the last of his energy to open the motorway. This last energy could have been the energy that was keeping him alive.  
:: Jack isn't immortal, he is described as a 'fixed point in time': he survives until he can pass his message (You Are Not Alone) to the Doctor.
::On several occasions in both ''Doctor Who'' and ''[[Torchwood]]'', Jack "died" and did not immediately revive until some time later. We don't know for certain if Boe really died and could have revived later.
::There is no guarantee that Jack was even telling the truth about his nickname. He could have learned by other means that the Doctor and friends were acquainted with the Face of Boe, and be playing an elaborate joke on them.
::Jack isn't immortal. He is described as a "fixed point in time". He survives until he can pass his message, "You Are Not Alone", to the Doctor.


*It seems rather silly that the automatic quarantine would let people into the motorway (surely letting the virus in), but not let them back out. What's more, wouldn't any of the later entries to the motorway have noticed that nobody ever came out, or even tried to get out through the entrance shafts.
*It seems rather silly that the automatic quarantine would let people into the motorway, possibly letting the virus in, but not let them back out.  
::The quarantine was to separate the lower city from the upper city, not the lower city from the motorway. The motorway was probably sealed to prevent the citizens of the lower city from realizing that they were trapped, as they knew they could leave at any time.
::The quarantine was to separate the lower city and motorway from the upper city, not the lower city from the motorway.


*What happened to the Macra? Where did they go after the events of Gridlock?
*Wouldn't any of the later entries to the motorway have noticed that nobody ever came out, or even try to get out through the entrance shafts.
::As far as later entries knew, those who had gone before were on their way to get out, not join a continuous loop. They did not know that they would never get out.


:When the motorway opened up, the gas keeping the macra alive would have spread away.
*What happened to the Macra after the events of ''Gridlock''?
:When the motorway opened up, the gas keeping the macra alive would have spread away and they would have died.


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*In New Earth, the Doctor said that New Earth is in the galaxy M87, which is a real galaxy in the Virgo cluster. It is half a million light years across and 60 million light years away. Yet here the Doctor says that New Earth is 50,000 light years from Earth. In 5 billion years the Milky Way and M87 ought to be millions of light years further apart, not closer together.
::Perhaps the people of the year 5 billion have the ability to move solar systems and galaxies around.
::Galaxies can be renamed several times in 5 billion years.


* In New Earth, the Doctor said that New Earth is in the galaxy M87, which is a real galaxy in the Virgo cluster. It is half a million light years across and 60 million light years away. Yet here the Doctor says that New Earth is 50,000 light years from Earth. In 5 billion years the Milky Way and M87 ought to be millions of light years further apart, not closer together.
*If there is self-replicating fuel, then how can the three passengers to go in the fast lane rule be meant to save fuel?
::Although fuel is self replicating, it does not mean that it replicates the same amount that it uses. Perhaps only one in one million tonnes of fuel used is lost.


[Perhaps the people of the year 5 billion have the ability to move solar systems and galaxies around.]
*How does the self-replicating fuel and recycling waste products work? The second law of Thermodynamics means that you need some external input to keep your fuel supply going for that long. Especially if all the cars are generating exhaust fumes and hence losing some of their fuel as part of the process of using it.  
 
::Perhaps it is the fumes that is the external input.
* If the there is self-replicating fuel, then how can the three passengers to go in the fast lane rule be meant to save fuel? And how does the self-replicating fuel work anyway? Surely the second law of Thermodynamics would mean that you need some external input to keep your fuel supply going for that long. Especially if all the cars are generating exhaust fumes (and hence losing some of their fuel as part of the process of using it). The same goes for recycling all the waste products into new food. Some of the food will get used up as energy, even if you lie comatose when not eating it.
::We do not know how technology will have advanced 5 billion years in the future.


*If it takes 6 years to go 10 miles, why don't people just walk?
*If it takes 6 years to go 10 miles, why don't people just walk?
::Everything is sealed off, so the motorway is the only way to get anywhere.


[Everything is sealed off, so the motorway is the only way to get anywhere.]
*What did the carjackers mean when they talked about being "too poor" to have a third passenger?
 
::Some people may pay others to live with them so they can get into the fast lane.
* What did the carjackers mean when they talked about being "too poor" to have a third passenger?
 
* When the car turns off all its systems, including the engines, how does it stay floating?


[Perhaps they've invented a material that naturally repels gravity. Although that begs the question of how they get one of these cars to land.]
*When the car turns off all its systems, including the engines, how does it stay floating?
::By 5 billion they could have invented a material that naturally repels gravity.
:::How would the cars land?
::::There would be a system to cause it to become relative to gravity.


*If the undercity was sealed off, then why is there both sunlight and rain in the section that the Doctor and Martha arrive in?
*If the undercity was sealed off, then why is there both sunlight and rain in the section that the Doctor and Martha arrive in?
::It could be artificial].


[It's artificial].
*And how can a virus possibly infect an entire planet in just seven minutes?
 
::Novice Hane mentions that everybody tried the mood drug Bliss, and the virus mutated inside the chemical, and becoming airborne. With it being airborne, it wouldn't take long for the virus to spread around through ventilation systems, especially if everybody in the world was using it.
* And how can a virus possibly infect an entire planet in just seven minutes?
 
[Novice Hane mentions that everybody tried the mood drug Bliss, and the virus mutated inside the chemical, and becoming airborne. With it being airborne, it wouldn't take long for the virus to spread around through ventilation systems. It is also possible that the virus mutated in everyone's mood patch, causing everybody to die in seven minutes)

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  • Why didn't the Macra fly up and kill any other people in cars not in the Fast Lane?
The Macra are giant crabs. They do not have wings and cannot fly.
  • If the Face of Boe truly is Jack Harkness, it does not make sense for him to die, since he is immortal.
Jack still ages, just at a much slower rate. Assuming no further time travel, he's now over 5 billion years old.
Jack gave the last of his energy to open the motorway. This last energy could have been the energy that was keeping him alive.
On several occasions in both Doctor Who and Torchwood, Jack "died" and did not immediately revive until some time later. We don't know for certain if Boe really died and could have revived later.
There is no guarantee that Jack was even telling the truth about his nickname. He could have learned by other means that the Doctor and friends were acquainted with the Face of Boe, and be playing an elaborate joke on them.
Jack isn't immortal. He is described as a "fixed point in time". He survives until he can pass his message, "You Are Not Alone", to the Doctor.
  • It seems rather silly that the automatic quarantine would let people into the motorway, possibly letting the virus in, but not let them back out.
The quarantine was to separate the lower city and motorway from the upper city, not the lower city from the motorway.
  • Wouldn't any of the later entries to the motorway have noticed that nobody ever came out, or even try to get out through the entrance shafts.
As far as later entries knew, those who had gone before were on their way to get out, not join a continuous loop. They did not know that they would never get out.
  • What happened to the Macra after the events of Gridlock?
When the motorway opened up, the gas keeping the macra alive would have spread away and they would have died.
  • In New Earth, the Doctor said that New Earth is in the galaxy M87, which is a real galaxy in the Virgo cluster. It is half a million light years across and 60 million light years away. Yet here the Doctor says that New Earth is 50,000 light years from Earth. In 5 billion years the Milky Way and M87 ought to be millions of light years further apart, not closer together.
Perhaps the people of the year 5 billion have the ability to move solar systems and galaxies around.
Galaxies can be renamed several times in 5 billion years.
  • If there is self-replicating fuel, then how can the three passengers to go in the fast lane rule be meant to save fuel?
Although fuel is self replicating, it does not mean that it replicates the same amount that it uses. Perhaps only one in one million tonnes of fuel used is lost.
  • How does the self-replicating fuel and recycling waste products work? The second law of Thermodynamics means that you need some external input to keep your fuel supply going for that long. Especially if all the cars are generating exhaust fumes and hence losing some of their fuel as part of the process of using it.
Perhaps it is the fumes that is the external input.
We do not know how technology will have advanced 5 billion years in the future.
  • If it takes 6 years to go 10 miles, why don't people just walk?
Everything is sealed off, so the motorway is the only way to get anywhere.
  • What did the carjackers mean when they talked about being "too poor" to have a third passenger?
Some people may pay others to live with them so they can get into the fast lane.
  • When the car turns off all its systems, including the engines, how does it stay floating?
By 5 billion they could have invented a material that naturally repels gravity.
How would the cars land?
There would be a system to cause it to become relative to gravity.
  • If the undercity was sealed off, then why is there both sunlight and rain in the section that the Doctor and Martha arrive in?
It could be artificial].
  • And how can a virus possibly infect an entire planet in just seven minutes?
Novice Hane mentions that everybody tried the mood drug Bliss, and the virus mutated inside the chemical, and becoming airborne. With it being airborne, it wouldn't take long for the virus to spread around through ventilation systems, especially if everybody in the world was using it.