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::Can we put that in place then? and create The Impossible Astonaut page? -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 14:39, April 12, 2011 (UTC) | ::Can we put that in place then? and create The Impossible Astonaut page? -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 14:39, April 12, 2011 (UTC) | ||
::In a word, Michael, no. | |||
::I '''strongly''' disagree with creating the article prior to air date. We got bitten hard last series on both ''[[The Vampires of Venice]]'' and ''[[The Pandorica Opens (TV story)|The Pandorica Opens]]''. Starting both of these articles prior to watching the episodes forced us to go back and do a ''lot'' of "busywork editing" on the wiki, as people had begun to link to what turned out to be the wrong article names. We have to remember that not only is it ''exceedingly'' easy to change the name of an episode just prior to broadcast (as happened with ''Vampires''), [[tardis:spoiler policy|spoiler policy]] is '''not''' the only thing we're concerned about. Spoiler policy actually intersects with [[tardis:disambiguation policy|disambiguation policy]], because we need to know whether the name of the episode describes a DWU item ''within'' the episode. The ''only'' way we can know that for sure is to — wait for it — '''''watch the episode'''''. That's how we got burned on ''The Pandorica Opens'', which turned out — in a surprise predicted by '''precisely nobody''' — to be the name of a painting within the DWU. Thus we had to go back and change all the pre-broadcast links to ''The Pandorica Opens'' to [[The Pandorica Opens (TV story)]]. | |||
::Now, I don't know about you, but that kind of editing, even with a bot, is not what I ''want'' to do on this site. I'd much rather wait until ''after'' broadcast to create the article ''correctly'' than to create it wrongly a week out and have to go back and fix things. | |||
::So I'm in favor of keeping creation of ''[[The Impossible Astronaut]]'' locked up until about 8pm BST on 23 April — given the current policies that are in force on this wiki. | |||
::The other option, it seems to me, is something for which I've ''long'' argued on this site. We could change the '''disambiguation''' policy so that either: | |||
::# TV stories ''always'' had the disambiguation (TV story) (i.e. they — and all stores — got a consistent nomenclature. Thus short stories would always have (short story) appended, comic stories would always have (comic story), etc.) | |||
::# TV stories ''never'' had the disambiguation (TV story) [i.e., they get priority over in-universe items of the same name) | |||
::Of the two options, I prefer the first, even though it involves the most bot work, because it means that there would be less need to disambiguate in-universe items. That would be preferable, because if you allow people to just start disambiguating pages how they want to, you force a choice between The Pandorica Opens (painting), The Pandorica Opens (van Gogh painting), The Pandorica Opens (art) — or, worse, A Christmas Carol (novella), A Christmas Carol (novel), A Christmas Carol (short story), A Christmas Carol (Dickens story). | |||
::I'm perfectly prepared to allow for the fact that the situation with ''The Vampires of Venice'' was highly unusual. It hasn't happened often at all that names given to us by official sources just a couple of weeks out were actually changed on transmission. But it has ''often'' happened that the name of an episode turned out to be the name of something ''within'' the episode. If we changed disambiguation policy such that ''every'' story was automatically disambiguated, we'd take this issue completely off the table. In fact, it would help with a lot of coding issues if story names had the same consistent disambig. If TV stories were always (TV story), parser functions, bot scripts, and regex expressions would all be ''massively'' simpler to write. | |||
::So I'm totally willing (and, at last, ''able'') to make that kinda switch happen. However, I don't have the time to do it as far as ''The Impossible Astronaut'' is concerned. And I might not have time to do it for the first half of the series. But could it be up and running for the autumn "season"? Absolutely. | |||
::Thus it ''would'' be possible for us to have this "create-but-lock-one-or-two-weeks-ahead-of-transmission" thing that you guys are talking about by autumn, ''if and only if'' people agree to change '''[[Tardis:disambiguation policy|disambiguation policy]]''' in the manner I've described above. But for right now, I'd argue for not starting articles prior to the date of first transmission. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''15:12:49 Tue '''12 Apr 2011 </span> |
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