Howling:5 things to look for: myths

Another one that's been mentioned here, and all over fandom. There's clearly a focus on mythology, legends, and fairy tales, but that could be just a stylistic thing. The theory here is that there are actually clues to something here.

• The Eleventh Hour: MΨTH apparently made the laptop and the hospital equipment. Except that there are other shots of the identical hospital equipment without the MΨTH logo. And this may not be just "MYTH" with one Greek letter; mu, tau, and eta look identical to M, T, and H. (Although I'm not sure what that could mean. Maybe if anyone successfully pronounces "mpste" that makes history explode.:)) The Pandorica is just a myth or a fairy tale. Also, the Atraxi are scared off by realizing that they've come up with the legendary force known as the Doctor.
• The Beast Below: The Doctor is a legend in the royal family. The people of Starship UK are obsessed with the legend of the beast below.
• Victory of the Daleks: The Davros Daleks are obsessed with the legendary true Daleks, and they need their legendary enemy, who's the only other person who knows the legends.
• The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone: Byzantium connects up with the Greek thing. The Pandorica again (and this time, "It's just a fairy tale", "Aren't we all?").

To me, it seems pretty fragmentary and hard to make a story out of, but some people are convinced they're on to something. --Falcotron 15:29, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

I did pick up on the fairy tale thing. I think someone mentioned somewhere about Pinocchio and that made me think of The Doctor constantly mentioning the length of Rory's nose. Bracewell's memories were possibly just a myth/fairytale. Vampires can be considered a myth/legend. The dream worlds were fairytales/fantasies (the Tardis dream being The Doctor's and the Leadworth dream being Rory's) and the Dreamlord was technically a fairytale/myth. V00D00M0NKY 09:28, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in Pinocchio, Pinocchio and Gepetto get caught inside the whale, but in TBB, it's Amy and the Doctor, without Rory, who get caught inside the whale. Also, the main story of Pinocchio is a puppet becoming a real child while his crotchety old maker gradually becomes a warm and loving parent, which might work for Amy and the Doctor, but not for Rory and the Doctor. Plus, the side plot (and, in fact, most of the conflict) in Pinocchio is the lying, the poor impulse control, and generally the darker side of his nature almost destroying Pinocchio; Rory is always honest, he's the most restrained one in the TARDIS, and (as the Doctor says in Amy's Choice) anything feeding on his dark side would starve immediately.

So, I think the idea of Rory as Pinocchio as a literal or consistent thing doesn't work.

But the idea of Pinocchio being one of many fairy tales that the show constantly references (whether as a plot hint or just as a stylistic touch by The Moff, who seems to be obsessed with the idea of his show as a fairy tale), sometimes more directly and sometimes very indirectly--that one I definitely buy.

As for the nose thing, if you watch the Confidential for Amy's Choice, Matt Smith's always talking about Arthur Darvill's nose, and Moffat actually calls him on it in front of Arthur, which is hilarious. I think the nose thing might just be Moffat playing with his actors, hoping to create that real-life scene just for fun. --Falcotron 10:33, May 18, 2010 (UTC)