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:Well, I'd like to believe that people like Rory, after they're absorbed by the Crack, aren't TRULY erased from the timeline completely; they just cease to physically exist at that moment, and everything they did prior to that remains unchanged, only other people cannot consciously access their memories of that person due to a side-effect of the Crack. Like a kind of selective amnesia. Honestly, I reckon this sounds far easier to get to grips with than the idea a lot of people seem to have, that after someone's eaten by a Crack, the past consists of those not eaten interacting with an empty space where that person used to be. It's the same with the Daleks in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End - you can't seriously believe, even in the context of the Whoniverse, that after they were absorbed, all those buildings on Earth just blew up by themselves, and people dropped dead in the streets for no reason, or pointed up at the empty sky and screaming in terror! [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 13:12, August 7, 2011 (UTC) | :Well, I'd like to believe that people like Rory, after they're absorbed by the Crack, aren't TRULY erased from the timeline completely; they just cease to physically exist at that moment, and everything they did prior to that remains unchanged, only other people cannot consciously access their memories of that person due to a side-effect of the Crack. Like a kind of selective amnesia. Honestly, I reckon this sounds far easier to get to grips with than the idea a lot of people seem to have, that after someone's eaten by a Crack, the past consists of those not eaten interacting with an empty space where that person used to be. It's the same with the Daleks in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End - you can't seriously believe, even in the context of the Whoniverse, that after they were absorbed, all those buildings on Earth just blew up by themselves, and people dropped dead in the streets for no reason, or pointed up at the empty sky and screaming in terror! [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 13:12, August 7, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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:These things happen. | :These things happen. Poeple think they see things. people have heart attacks, people who never buy lottery tickets win the big prize. It's a funny old world and some days it looks like cause and effect is just an illusion. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 13:32, August 7, 2011 (UTC) | ||
::You're attacking a straw man here. The obvious alternative to your story isn't that the same events happened without the Daleks; it's that those events didn't happen at all. The buildings are still there, the people are still alive, and nobody screamed in terror, so there's nothing to explain away. Remember, Moffat's storytelling reason for erasing ''Journey's End'' was to make people in the 2011 Whoniverse act like they were never attacked by the Daleks; leaving them in devastated cities with horrifying memories but with the cause of those memories removed wouldn't do that. And neither would your explanation, leaving them in the same situation but with the memories themselves edited to censor the cause. Those people are living on a timeline where ''Journey's End'' just never happened. And you can't argue that such a thing is impossible in the Whoniverse, because that's exactly what we saw on-screen in ''Last of the Time Lords'' (and other past stories). | |||
::Also, from a physics point of view, if you assume the consistent histories interpretation of quantum physics, removing the ''Journey's End'' Daleks gives you Moffat's altered history for free. (I won't try to explain consistent histories in detail; if you don't know about it, start with the Wikipedia article or Murray Gell-Mann's pop-science books.) Removing the causes but leaving the effects might be plausible. But leaving both the causes and effects while systematically altering the brains of everyone in the precise way needed to edit out their memories of the causes seems to require some kind of intelligent, conscious, super-powerful agent behind the cracks to do that. | |||
::Finally, watch ''The Big Bang'' again: the Doctor tells us that spacetime is shrinking, and we see that the history of the drastically-reduced spacetime has been drastically rearranged to make it as consistent as possible. | |||
::That's not to say that the consistent-histories explanation is the one the writers always use, but it's pretty clearly one of the explanations in their bag of tricks, and the one Moffat was relying on for his 2010 story arc. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.118|173.228.85.118]] 00:25, August 8, 2011 (UTC) | |||