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::::Anyway: We don't know for sure that the Angel that caused the crash was one of the ones that fell into the crack. And, if it was, all of the 4 ideas above work fine here: 1. You get the most consistent history possible without that Angel, which means the clerics and the transport ship (but not Amy, River, and the Doctor) lived through a completely different story than the one we saw, with a different reason for River being sent there. 2. There's a paradox; there was no reason to send River, as far as their memories and records are concerned they never sent River, so they never did so, and yet there she is. 3. Somewhere between those two. 4. Things are changed just enough to make the paradox invisible—maybe there are orders to send River but they're forged, and they can trace them back to River herself, so the only inconsistency (between River's history, where she didn't forge those orders, and their history, where she did) just looks like River lying. And of course there are plenty of other possibilities. The fact that we don't know which answer Moffat chose (because he probably never explicitly chose one) doesn't mean that there's no answer. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.118|173.228.85.118]] 19:28, August 11, 2011 (UTC) | ::::Anyway: We don't know for sure that the Angel that caused the crash was one of the ones that fell into the crack. And, if it was, all of the 4 ideas above work fine here: 1. You get the most consistent history possible without that Angel, which means the clerics and the transport ship (but not Amy, River, and the Doctor) lived through a completely different story than the one we saw, with a different reason for River being sent there. 2. There's a paradox; there was no reason to send River, as far as their memories and records are concerned they never sent River, so they never did so, and yet there she is. 3. Somewhere between those two. 4. Things are changed just enough to make the paradox invisible—maybe there are orders to send River but they're forged, and they can trace them back to River herself, so the only inconsistency (between River's history, where she didn't forge those orders, and their history, where she did) just looks like River lying. And of course there are plenty of other possibilities. The fact that we don't know which answer Moffat chose (because he probably never explicitly chose one) doesn't mean that there's no answer. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.118|173.228.85.118]] 19:28, August 11, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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::::You want a simple explanation? Here's one. | ::::You want a simple explanation? Here's one. The Byzantium crashed and its home box went home. Now, in this world, when there's a crash, the authorities go out, get the flight recorder and conduct a full investigation. That's what that unit was doing. Why was River Song there? She was doing something with the unit when it was ordered to investigate and since the Bishop had to go take part in the investigation, he couldn't drop her back at Stormhaven first. I am not offering it as '''the''' explanation. For that, you'd need some statement in the show or from Moffat. Happy now? [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 19:58, August 11, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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::::Well if nothing seen in the episode is reliable, then it's pretty dang useless, isn't it? If a Crack can come along and rewrite reality so whatever happens doesn't really matter, what's the point in following any of the stories? [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 21:10, August 11, 2011 (UTC) | |||