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 ::This is because of our [[Tardis:Spoiler policy|spoiler]] and [[Tardis:Protection policy|protection polices]]. If you want to edit the page, you can leave your edits/suggests here on the talk where we will review them and add them to the page, judging that they are inside the polices. I do apologise to your for any inconvenience, angry or upset this may cause you. [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 12:48, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
-It's not that you aren't trusted, it's just that registered users in general (myself included) are liable to adding spoilers. I'm not sure what changes you actually what to make that don't offend [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]]. The article as it now stands is exactly how it should look prior to broadcast.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 13:15, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
+It't not that you aren't trusted, it's registered users in general. I'm not sure what changes you actually what to make that don't offend [[Tardis:Spoiler policy]]. The article as it now stands is exactly how it should look prior to broadcast.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 13:15, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
-Rumors. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 13:21, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
+:::Well, you're talking about the practical side of things, MM, and how a user can respond to a locked page. Looking in it in those terms — ''put it here and we'll review it for suitability'' — does tend to make it unintentionally seem like we don't trust our users.
+:::So let me say this quite firmly: '''It's not a matter of not trusting our users.   It's a matter of not trusting ''Moffat'', RTD, the BBC, and anyone else making our favourite shows.'''  They all routinely lie to the press, or the press that is ''usually'' right (like DWM) get it wrong, and we're left with egg on our faces.  This is an encyclopedia.  Our goal is to report accurately on '''the past'''.  It is '''not''' our job to predict or describe '''the future'''.
+:::This policy derives from the experience in series 5 where ''The Vampires of Vemice'' had a "confirmed" name of ''The Vampires From Venice'' just a few days before broadcast.  When it turned out to be ''The Vampires '''of''' Venice''', we had to scramble around and change all the links that had been made.  It also comes from the experience with ''The Pandorica Opens'', which no one knew was actually the name of a painting in the DWU.  Thus, we had to scramble and change references to the TV story to ''The Pandorica Opens (TV story)'' in order to comply with [[tardis:disambiguation policy|disambiguation policy]].  Moreover, it comes from the '''many, many''' times that DWM have apparently been speaking with the authority of the production company, but then turned out to be completely wrong — such as when they recently told us that [[Esther Drummond]] was actually Esther Katsui.
+:::The goal of the [[tardis:spoiler policy|spoiler policy]] — which is what's locking this article — is to prevent people from wasting a lot of time with misinformation apparently supplied by a reliable source.  While it's very unlikely that the name of this well-publicised ep will change at broadcast, it ''is'' possible that ''Let's Kill Hitler'' is the name of a book or movie in the episode.  Personally, I think the article has been created '''prematurely'''.  I don't even think it should exist in a locked form at this point.  I think it shouldn't be started until — at the earliest — the credits roll on the  premiere broadcast on BBC One.  That way, it will have been possible to have seen the title flash on the screen.
+:::Think of this policy as the "Peter Davidson Rule" — after the time when [[Peter Davison]] was famously said to be Peter ''Davidson'' on the cover of DWM, prior to the transmission of his first episode. If DWM can make a typo with such a well-known actor — and on a cover that proclaimed them an award-winning magazine, no less — then they simply cannot be trusted as accurate spellers.  Spelling is at the very heart of a wiki, because links depend upon having the precisely correct spelling of a topic.  Waiting until an episode is broadcast won't completely eliminate our spelling errors, but it does give us at least the '''chance''' of getting the article name correct from the start.
+:::Thus, the basic principle at work here is that mistakes are minimised if the episode page is closed until it's possible that someone will have '''actually seen''' the story.   {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''13:21:11 Thu&nbsp;'''25 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
+:::[This message has been attempted two times, both times encountering an edit conflict.  Apologies if it doesn't flow from the previous comment as originally intended.]