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We need to formally request Wikia disable visual editor mode. Most of us have it turned off anyway (see Special:Preferences, editing tab). But we need to actually make it impossible to turn on. IP editors and new editors, who tend to be the ones who use it, are occasionally, and quite unintentionally, creating a mess in the codes of pages.

Basically, the visual editor will occasionally leak raw HTML into the code. This violates T:NO HTML and makes bot maintenance of the database a complete nightmare. This is why Memory Alpha have long had the visual editor turned off.

Here's a comparison of the same content as rendered by visual editor, and as it should be in normal wiki markup:

http://tardis.wikia.com/index.php?title=DWM_441&action=historysubmit&diff=837704&oldid=814683

Note the especial funkiness of the sectional headers.

Yes, the visual editor doesn't always result in this kind of code explosion. But it does it enough for it to be a worry. And I've shown another example to Wikia staff and have basically just got a "thanks for reporting the bug" response, rather than a solid workaround or solution.

I know visual editor might be a little easier for novices, but it's not so very much easier that we should tolerate these code explosions. Also, removing visual editor entirely means we only have to support source (normal) mode.

So, are there any objections to turning off the visual editor?
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">22:01: Sat 17 Dec 2011 

Get rid of visual editor

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  czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">22:01: Sat 17 Dec 2011 , for reasons above
• Tardis1963 talk 22:07, December 17, 2011 (UTC) I hate it over on the DWCW, so I'm all for getting rid of it.
• MM/Want to talk? 12:02, December 18, 2011 (UTC) I agree completely with the reasons above.
• Tangerineduel / talk 15:01, December 19, 2011 (UTC) I also agree with the reasons stated above.

Keep it

I'd like to keep it. Some pages only need minor editing and it can be difficult to wade through all the wiki code in source mode. Shambala108 ^{talk to me} 02:13, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Although there are times when I turn it off -- usually when using non-standard formats -- I prefer the visual code most of the time. It gives me a better idea of the layout as I work. It's particularly useful in deciding paragraph breaks. Boblipton ^{talk to me} 02:31, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

If that's true Bob, why am I always finding tons if extraneous space in your work?
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  <span style="">03:58: Sun 18 Dec 2011 

Because I'm not perfect. I go through something, edit it, then later I go back and edit it some more. Boblipton ^{talk to me} 04:32, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

And I'm sloppy, too. When I'm busy concentrating on things like changing punctuation, I'm not concentrating on spacing. Boblipton ^{talk to me} 04:45, December 18, 2011 (UTC)