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If you look up, you will notice that we were debating other issues earlier. The gold issue had more to do with how to categorize the season 6 Cybermen, but that is not what we are talking about. Same with the cracks. When I say that they are different but fundamentally the same, I mean that despite their minor differences, they are mostly the same. The Cybermen are the exact opposite. Despite their minor similarities, they are mostly different. The Cybermen in n-space weren't really all about the conversion process. It is something that they did, and it may have been an important part of their creation, but in the Cybermen's classic appearances, they were usually trying to capture something, or avoid being entombed, or fighting a war. Conversion was only ever used as a means to an end, but it wasn't their primary schtick in the same way that it is with the Pete's World Cybermen. Going by your analogy with the smartphones then, a smartphone made by a Korean company would have enough similarities with one made by an American company to warrant having a [[Smartphone]] article. However, if you look at Wikipedia, they also have individual articles for different brands of smartphone. The Cybermen are not a species, a pseudospecies, or a technology. They are something unique, so we can only make a decision based on those other things. [[Special:Contributions/69.143.170.93|69.143.170.93]]<sup>[[User talk:69.143.170.93#top|talk to me]]</sup> 04:27, December 31, 2011 (UTC) | If you look up, you will notice that we were debating other issues earlier. The gold issue had more to do with how to categorize the season 6 Cybermen, but that is not what we are talking about. Same with the cracks. When I say that they are different but fundamentally the same, I mean that despite their minor differences, they are mostly the same. The Cybermen are the exact opposite. Despite their minor similarities, they are mostly different. The Cybermen in n-space weren't really all about the conversion process. It is something that they did, and it may have been an important part of their creation, but in the Cybermen's classic appearances, they were usually trying to capture something, or avoid being entombed, or fighting a war. Conversion was only ever used as a means to an end, but it wasn't their primary schtick in the same way that it is with the Pete's World Cybermen. Going by your analogy with the smartphones then, a smartphone made by a Korean company would have enough similarities with one made by an American company to warrant having a [[Smartphone]] article. However, if you look at Wikipedia, they also have individual articles for different brands of smartphone. The Cybermen are not a species, a pseudospecies, or a technology. They are something unique, so we can only make a decision based on those other things. [[Special:Contributions/69.143.170.93|69.143.170.93]]<sup>[[User talk:69.143.170.93#top|talk to me]]</sup> 04:27, December 31, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:You just said they should be treated like technology in your last post and agreed on the pseudo specie a few posts ago, now they are neither. What is the point of raising any point at all if you are going to completely contradicts them every other post? | |||
:I don't know what other issues you were talking about throughout the entire conversation, but everyone else have always been talking about the original topic. So are you saying none of the points you have raised are relevant to the discussion on hand? | |||
:Did you see Cybus Cybermen upgrading people in the Pandorica Opens? Did they not waged a battle with the Daleks and ended up trapped in the Void? | |||
:"''I mean that despite their minor differences, they are mostly the same. The Cybermen are the exact opposite. Despite their minor similarities, they are mostly different.''" You keep saying this, but you failed to mention any valid support for this statement. This is basically something that you personally decided arbitrarily, so please do not keep bringing up this statement unless you can support it. | |||
:Concerning the wikipedia thing: | |||
::1. This is not wikipedia, and if you cared to read the example I posted, currently technology like perception filter (which includes the perception filter for camouflage and the perception filter for attention-repellant) are grouped under the same article if they have similar primary functions and names in this wiki. | |||
::2. Wikipedia does not have articles for American smartphones and Korean smartphones, wikipedia has articles for the brands (which would equate to Cybus Industry, Pete's World, Mondas, etc), and specific popular models (which would equate to CyberLord, CyberKing, CyberShade, Cybermat, etc).--[[Special:Contributions/222.166.181.228|222.166.181.228]]<sup>[[User talk:222.166.181.228#top|talk to me]]</sup> 08:47, December 31, 2011 (UTC) | |||