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If this is not consensus, then I don't know what is. Not a single argument was proposed against the validity. And there was a lot of agreement regarding the details. Let me try to record the main ones: | If this is not consensus, then I don't know what is. Not a single argument was proposed against the validity. And there was a lot of agreement regarding the details. Let me try to record the main ones: | ||
* All TV versions (except for the [[Leekley Bible]] one) go to the same page. The 2017 is the only valid one. The others (however you might count) should be given their subsections in the Notes. Accordingly, the information in the infobox should pertain to the 2017 edition and follow as close as possible the official credits on the original release and/or DVD. Deviating information for the earlier invalid versions should go to their subsections. | * All TV versions (except for the [[Leekley Bible]] one) go to the same page. The 2017 is the only valid one. The others (however you might count) should be given their subsections in the Notes. Accordingly, the information in the infobox should pertain to the 2017 edition and follow as close as possible the official credits on the original release and/or DVD. Deviating information for the earlier invalid versions should go to their subsections. | ||
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* Novelisation should in this case be considered of equal value with the audio, webcast and this latest TV version. Ordinarily, it is subordinate to the TV version. But it mostly helps to simplify related pages when there are only two versions by eliminating the second. The difference between four or five versions is negligible, and the novelisation was published before the episode it is supposed to novelise. | * Novelisation should in this case be considered of equal value with the audio, webcast and this latest TV version. Ordinarily, it is subordinate to the TV version. But it mostly helps to simplify related pages when there are only two versions by eliminating the second. The difference between four or five versions is negligible, and the novelisation was published before the episode it is supposed to novelise. | ||
* Differences between versions should be explained in detail on the (valid) story pages and minimised on character/object in-universe pages. After the initial fork between the Fourth and Eighth Doctor, it is preferable to use generic "the Doctor" to streamline the narrative. Given the increased timey-wimeyness, it is preferable to describe substantial differences between the webcast/audio and TV/novelisation versions not in terms of "one account/another account", thus, implicitly postulating that they are incompatible, but rather "with the Fourth Doctor/with the Eighth Doctor". Please avoid speculation as to the exact connection between them. Keep close to the text. | * Differences between versions should be explained in detail on the (valid) story pages and minimised on character/object in-universe pages. After the initial fork between the Fourth and Eighth Doctor, it is preferable to use generic "the Doctor" to streamline the narrative. Given the increased timey-wimeyness, it is preferable to describe substantial differences between the webcast/audio and TV/novelisation versions not in terms of "one account/another account", thus, implicitly postulating that they are incompatible, but rather "with the Fourth Doctor/with the Eighth Doctor". Please avoid speculation as to the exact connection between them. Keep close to the text. | ||
* Thanking OS25 for willingness to compromise, we must treat this as a contemporary release in all respects. It is not part of [[Season 17]]. It is a (very) special release, so all the nuances should be explained in the notes rather than in the infobox navigation. If it is any consolation, novelisation is a bit earlier, so many characters' first appearance will be 2012. | * Thanking OS25 for willingness to compromise, we must treat this as a contemporary release in all respects. It is not part of [[Season 17 (Doctor Who 1963)|Season 17]]. It is a (very) special release, so all the nuances should be explained in the notes rather than in the infobox navigation. If it is any consolation, novelisation is a bit earlier, so many characters' first appearance will be 2012. | ||
* Template regarding the interchangeable Doctor was soundly rejected by the majority. | * Template regarding the interchangeable Doctor was soundly rejected by the majority. | ||
* Age of the actor was never a problem in ''[[The Two Doctors (TV story)|The Two Doctors]]'' (or indeed most BF audios) and, thus, should be discussed only inasmuch as it is acknowledged in the story, by the same token as we do not discuss in-universe switches between animated and live-action segments. | * Age of the actor was never a problem in ''[[The Two Doctors (TV story)|The Two Doctors]]'' (or indeed most BF audios) and, thus, should be discussed only inasmuch as it is acknowledged in the story, by the same token as we do not discuss in-universe switches between animated and live-action segments. | ||
Discussion of further details should take place at [[Talk:Shada (TV story)]]. | Discussion of further details should take place at [[Talk:Shada (TV story)]]. | ||
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Latest revision as of 19:52, 22 April 2024
If this is not consensus, then I don't know what is. Not a single argument was proposed against the validity. And there was a lot of agreement regarding the details. Let me try to record the main ones:
- All TV versions (except for the Leekley Bible one) go to the same page. The 2017 is the only valid one. The others (however you might count) should be given their subsections in the Notes. Accordingly, the information in the infobox should pertain to the 2017 edition and follow as close as possible the official credits on the original release and/or DVD. Deviating information for the earlier invalid versions should go to their subsections.
- The page should be called Shada (TV story) because that's how most people think of it, because there is already Shada (webcast) and because the technology is erasing the difference between webcasts and TV stories. For instance, all episodes of Class were "broadcast" on an Internet-only channel. Thus, bending the boundary between TV story and webcast to achieve some better clarity is acceptable.
- Novelisation should in this case be considered of equal value with the audio, webcast and this latest TV version. Ordinarily, it is subordinate to the TV version. But it mostly helps to simplify related pages when there are only two versions by eliminating the second. The difference between four or five versions is negligible, and the novelisation was published before the episode it is supposed to novelise.
- Differences between versions should be explained in detail on the (valid) story pages and minimised on character/object in-universe pages. After the initial fork between the Fourth and Eighth Doctor, it is preferable to use generic "the Doctor" to streamline the narrative. Given the increased timey-wimeyness, it is preferable to describe substantial differences between the webcast/audio and TV/novelisation versions not in terms of "one account/another account", thus, implicitly postulating that they are incompatible, but rather "with the Fourth Doctor/with the Eighth Doctor". Please avoid speculation as to the exact connection between them. Keep close to the text.
- Thanking OS25 for willingness to compromise, we must treat this as a contemporary release in all respects. It is not part of Season 17. It is a (very) special release, so all the nuances should be explained in the notes rather than in the infobox navigation. If it is any consolation, novelisation is a bit earlier, so many characters' first appearance will be 2012.
- Template regarding the interchangeable Doctor was soundly rejected by the majority.
- Age of the actor was never a problem in The Two Doctors (or indeed most BF audios) and, thus, should be discussed only inasmuch as it is acknowledged in the story, by the same token as we do not discuss in-universe switches between animated and live-action segments.
Discussion of further details should take place at Talk:Shada (TV story).