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Here's what I've been thinking about for a week or two now... we know that in this episode something will happen to cause the Ponds to leave. And we know that River will be there. My speculation is that Rory is going to die, and that River will be witness to it; and also that the River we'll see will come from early in her incarceration (sometime between The Wedding and A Good Man). This is because when River first sees Rory in A Good Man, she gets very sad all of a sudden. She tries to play it off as something else, but I think that sadness comes from seeing him again after having recently seen him die. Suddenly she sees him standing in front of her, young and eager as he was, and thinks of what she recently saw happen. So I think that Rory will die, and then Amy won't be able to keep travelling with the Doctor anymore because she'll feel so let down by him (that he let Rory die, and doesn't use the TARDIS to go back in time and prevent that), so she'll have to leave him. Anyway, just my thoughts... we'll see in a few days I guess! --Maelwys ☎ 19:52, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Rory dying? Well, that would be original. My guess would be that the Angels will time displace either Amy and Rory. Then either Rory will have to wait for Amy again, or this time Amy will have to take a turn waiting for Rory. However, they are not immortal this time, and as we saw in Blink, they will die before or shortly after the time they were initially pulled out of.Icecreamdif ☎ 00:44, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

At this point, after Rory has died/nearly died/apparently died a dozen times, the Doctor and Amy half a dozen each and River two or three, it's got to be something more than "X dies" to really have a tragic impact. Something like Icecreamdif's idea seems more like what Moffat's probably got in mind: It's much more tragic if Rory (or Amy) doesn't just die, he lives through the rest of his life time-shifted decades away from Amy, with the constant hope that he'll catch up to her, kind of like Fry's dog in Futurama… --70.36.140.233^{talk to me} 04:23, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

don't usually speculate, but from the trailers, the obvious impression of the main premise is that Rory is zapped by an Angel to the past; Doctor and Amy finds his grave a future relative to Rory's new present; Doctor cannot just simply bring back people and rewrite history under certain conditions involving either Angels and/or certain deaths despite how he and River try stuff during the episode after going to Rory's era; Amy gives up and figures out which Angel zapped Rory and let herself be zapped; the grave now buries both Amy and Rory and their deaths (and remaining lives in another era) are fixed points. --222.166.181.49^{talk to me} 04:45, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I hope that isn't the case but I think it will be. 94.72.194.203^{talk to me} 15:39, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Unlike what I suggested, Amy and Rory did get to live out their time-shifted life together; the tragedy was that _the Doctor_ was separated from them, not each other. And I think it works better than way.

I also like that Moffat directly addressed the fact that "Rory dies" wouldn't be sufficiently tragic. Rory himself brings it up. He comes back to life, just like always, as he predicted. But that doesn't avert the final tragedy. --70.36.140.233^{talk to me} 22:58, September 29, 2012 (UTC)