Talk:He Jests at Scars... (audio story)

Alternate timeline VS. not DWU

Should this be considered an alternate timeline and added to Melanie Bush's page? Although it's, technically speaking, not canon (and neither does it involve any of the characters from the regular 'verse), it is a time line where Melanie did not travel with the Doctor. PotterheadWhovian17 ☎ 03:44, February 15, 2013 (UTC)PotterheadWhovian17

Because this wiki doesn't consider this story to be part of the Doctor Who universe, it can't go on any in-universe page, including Mel's. Shambala108 ☎ 04:11, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Just from looking at the article, I don't really see why it should be considered not part of the DWU in the first place. I think it's simply an alternate reality, which we do cover. Then again, I haven't listened to the story. If there is a good reason, you should indicate it in the article. After telling me here, of course... SOTO ☎ 04:41, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

This story has the "notdwu" tag, which means we don't cover it . The decision was probably made in a forum discussion ages ago. If you want you can dig through the Forum:Panopticon archives to see.Shambala108 ☎ 04:59, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I went through the archives and searched for everything possibly related. Nothing. But looking at the edit history of this page, user:Tybort claims that "per forum discussions and T:VS, this isn't part of the DWU." Weird, since I can find no such "forum discussions." Not that I don't believe him. I also looked at Category:Inclusion debates. Still nothing. Is it possible that it's not officially licensed? SOTO ☎ 05:17, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Unbound DW audio stories are all considered non-canon, but I've noticed that there are certain stories where alternate timelines are considered a part of the DWU. Out of curiosity, just what is the difference? What makes an alternate timeline not a part of DWU? PotterheadWhovian17 ☎ 05:22, February 15, 2013 (UTC)PotterheadWhovian17

Well, you kind of answered your own question. This alternate timeline is not covered because it's Unbound. In Forum:The original inclusion debates the Unbound series was listed as one of the not DWU series. I'm not sure why, I haven't found the reasoning for that yet, but it's gotta be here somewhere. Shambala108 ☎ 05:30, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Some of the Panopticon discussions are still pending being categorised. These two discussions mention the Unbound stories; Forum:Should we class Big Finish's Doctor Who Unbound series as non-canon?; Forum:References to BFDWU as alternate or diverging timeline.

As for PotterheadWhovian17's question of alternate timelines the basic answer is that any universes alternate or parallel that are created within a story of the DW universe is part of that (narrative) universe. Even if it's an alternate/parallel universe it's still created with the intention of it all being part of one area of narrative connection. The Unbounds were deliberately created as to be set apart from the regular Doctor Who universe. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:34, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Merging characters from this story

Now that the Unbounds are valid, should the characters from this story be merged with their prime timeline counterparts? Personally, I think The Valeyard and Ellie Martin are missing important info by not including this story. CoT ? 22:15, January 23, 2017 (UTC)

Oh, also Vansell. CoT ? 22:16, January 23, 2017 (UTC)

Make a note in an "Alternate timelines" for the characters, linking to the alternate universe counterparts' articles. --Pluto2 (talk) 22:20, January 23, 2017 (UTC)

Well that's only half of it. Would you agree that He Jests with Scars should be added to The Valeyard - list of appearances or Melanie Bush - list of appearances? CoT ? 22:23, January 23, 2017 (UTC)

Of course. --Pluto2 (talk) 22:26, January 23, 2017 (UTC)