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Thanks for becoming a member of the TARDIS crew! If you have any questions, see the Help pages, add a question to one of the Forums or ask on my talk page. SmallerOnTheOutside ☎ 14:59, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

I'm blocked!

I have been blocked for making some common sense edits. Let's discuss this rationally, shall we?

In The War Games, the Doctor runs into a Time Lord who is said to be an old friend. This Time Lord is working for/with the War Lord, using the job description "The War Chief". "The War Chief" allies himself with a powerful alien force, who he plans to betray when the time is right, seizing total power for himself. He lays out his aims as bringing peace, stability and order to the Universe(with himself as ruler of course). The Doctor messes up his plans, and he is shot. The novelisation(written by Malcolm Hulke, and edited by Terrance Dicks) explicitly states that the Doctor and "The War Chief" are the only two renegade Time Lords at this time. In interviews, Gary Russell stated that when "The War Chief" was at the Academy, he had the nickname 'Magnus'.

Less than eighteen months later(in real-world time of course), the Time Lords come to alert the Doctor to the fact that his old friend "The Master" has arrived on Earth to seek revenge for the Doctor ruining his scheme. It is revealed that this scheme involved the Master using hypnosis on humans from various periods of Earth history. The novelisations of Terror of the Autons(written by Terrance Dicks) and Colony in Space(written by Malcolm Hulke) give a broader background. This includes the fact that The Master was using an alias at the time, that the Doctor mistakenly believed that The Master didn't have a working TARDIS(when he in fact did), and that the Master;s scheme involved him taking humans from various points in Earth's history, hypnotising them into believing they were still fighting various wars from earth history, with the aim being to create a super-army of the best soldiers. The Doctor alerted the Time Lords to this, who arrived and captured the Doctor, but The Master was able to escape. It is also confirmed that the Master and the Doctor are the only two renegade Time Lords at this time. And Malcolm Hulke later confirmed this fact in interviews. The events of "The War Games" are referenced in the television stories Terror of the Autons, The Mind of Evil, Colony in Space, The Sea Devils, Frontier in Space, the Deadly Assassin, Mark of the Rani, The TV Movie, The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords and The End of Time. Barry Letts stated in interviews that he wanted Roger Delgado to give an extra depth the already-existing character that he renamed 'The Master'. Gary Russell and Warwick Gray both stated in interviews that the character 'Magnus'(who appears in the comic 'Flashback' as a contemporary of the Doctor's on Gallifrey) is The Master.

However, one pompous fuck refuses to acknowledge that. He/she instead states that "various novels" contradict this and establish that that is not so. In fact the only novel that even hints at this is Divided Loyalties(written by Gary Russell!)

In this low-rated book, various characters have dreams about their pasts, only the dreams feature real events mixed up with surreal, anxiety-inducing fiction. Tegan dreams that she missed her father's funeral(which she had actually attended), Adric's and Nyssa's dreams bear very little resemblance to the realities of Full Circle and The Keeper of Traken.

And then the Doctor falls asleep and starts to dream(very explicitly stated in the book). The next Chapter is called Dreaming in big bold letters(Capital Letters in the book). The Doctor has a dream where he is back on Gallifrey, only nothing follows what we know about Galifrey and the Doctor's early life. We learn that only people with a "Rassilon imprint" can even travel in a TARDIS and that only the Academy gives them out. We learn that the Doctor was expelled from the Academy. We learn that Type 30 TARDISes are brand spanking new at the time. We learn that the Doctor and Mortimus were good friends at the Academy, and that Mortimus left Gallifrey before the Doctor. And then the Doctor wakes up. He remarks on the weird nightmare he just had. Another character suggest he was drugged. However, the Doctor and his companions are in the Dreamscape, controlled by the Celestial Toymaker(you know the malevolent character who gets pleasure from playing games and tormenting people). He admits that these weird and confusing nightmares were all created/induced by him, as one of his sick games.

So, do we take the countless real-world and in-universe sources OR do we take one jumbled-up, drug-induced Dream Sequence' that is explicitly said to not be real and to be one of the Celestial Toymaker's sick agmes? Hey, this is Tardis Data Core! let's go with the Dream Sequence that contradicts pretty much all established continuity, and block anyone who dares to suggest otherwise!

You are not blocked for the reasons you stated above. You are blocked because you failed, despite repeated notices, to follow the rules of this wiki. You have been told several times to take this issue to the forums for discussion. We have certain rules regarding the types of evidence we accept for in-universe pages. You have been told these rules, yet you continue to ignore them.

In addition, and I apologize if I'm wrong about this, I think you were originally blocked for violating Tardis:No personal attacks. In your comment above, you have again violated it. If you had tried to present your points in a less insulting way, and used our required means of effecting change, you would not be blocked. But your edits show that you have little respect for this wiki's users and rules.

Please note that I have not addressed your specific edits at all. That is not what I'm interested in. I'm interested in seeing that the wiki's rules are followed and that all users are treated properly. Shambala108 ☎ 17:17, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Well, it appears some overly eager(euphemism) person blocked me for three months without a warning. Simply for making factual edits. Because let's face it, this site is full of factual errors and POV edits posing as truth. There is nothing I said that is not true. Okay, in one case I added the word "obviously" which was wrong, but that's a lot less than some of the rubbish that poses as fact all over this website. Your immature and abusive response of a three-month-block without a warning is indicative of the general behaviour and attitude of this website. namely, push one narrow-minded POV as "fact" and forcibly silence anyone who suggests a different take on the same material. Especially if their take makes more sense than your kindergarten-level 'interpretation'. You can believe whatever nonsense and factually inaccurate tripe you wish. My problem is that young fans may come to this ghastly website, read the lies ans bs on here, and actually believe that that is the reality. Which it most certainly is not. Your level of comprehension(or lack thereof) boggles the mind. This website poses as being a 'Doctor Who Wiki', yet is little more than the POV-pushing of a small, narrowminded group of control freaks.

I have already attempted to discuss this rationally and logically. I was bombarded with personal insults, constantly told to "start from the beginning again", and of course met with some of the most unbelievable lack of comprehension and reading ability I have ever encountered. There was the usual double standard of someone taking some vague, unclear words, and deciding that it definitely meant one specific thing, yet when something explicitly stated something it was dismissed. And the other one of a glaring continuity error or impossibility being ignored with a shrug, while something explicit being dismissed as it may contradict something else that the person hasn't even read!

Of course, since you were so abusive that you chose to give a three month block without warning, I can not possibly continue this matter on a forum any time soon. Which you knew perfectly well, because you don't want this discussion to continue, because you know you're wrong. So you prevent me from editing, and you stick to your flawed, inaccurate position as the "right" one.

If you really want to be able to come back any time soon to bring this up in the forums, I'd suggest you don't make personal attacks as well.

To address your concerns, per T:NPOV, we cannot and should not inject our own personal opinions or interpretations of the narrative, and instead need to stick to exactly what that narrative tells us. So no one here is "pushing their POVs", no one is trying to convince anyone else that their interpretation is "right", and no one is trying to suppress others' opinions. It's simply that we stick to what we're given, and nothing else. If you find examples of opinions, speculation or what you feel is misrepresentation of the narrative after your ban expires, please do feel free to bring it up on the article's talk page or in the forums. Maybe you could use the time before then to read through the two policies I linked to above: T:ATTACKS and T:NPOV. Thank you.
--SOTO (☎/★\♆) 04:53, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is a lie, and you know it's a lie. This website is full of POV and deliberate misinterpretations. This website has its own canon policy, even though the BBC does not have a canon policy. And do you honestly think I'm going to wait three months, then come back and be subjected to this kind of abuse and insults again? Keep your fan fiction website the way it is. Again, my only concern is that people may come to this website, and actually believe the blatant lies that they read are the truth. But this is my last post here. And don't bother replying with your hollow nonsense about NPA, when I have been subjected to some of the most revolting insults and personal attacks imaginable on this very website, some of them by Admins.

I know what the truth is. Many others also do. So you make strict fascist rules, block people, make "admin-only level editing", to hold onto your hideous version of the truth. The joke is you claim to be Dr Who fans, yet you're just like the worst of the villains in Dr Who...41.133.0.184^{talk to me} 06:01, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, what you call our canon policy — T:CAN — says that there is no canon because, just as you said, the BBC have not defined it. So I'm not sure what you meant by that. Moreover, no matter what you claim, we do not run around guns blazing, blocking everyone in our paths; we in fact have a tardis:blocking policy that we follow. And we have a tardis:protection policy too.

You don't want to edit with us? That's fine; it's your choice. But, if you are gonna be here, you — and everyone else — is bound by current policy. And that policy prohibits personal attacks and making edits to prove a point when you have been specifically told not to.

Blocking is a tool to ensure that users follow these guidelines. Without that tool, there'd only be chaos. The enforcing of rules is not "oppression"; it's a necessary function of any organisation that has any intention of surviving. Honestly, once your ban expires, if you just stick to the few rules set before you, we shouldn't have any problems at all.
--SOTO (☎/★ ♆) 06:22, January 31, 2014 (UTC)