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[[File:Osgood is not a companion.jpg|thumb|right|Here's the dialogue from ''[[Robo Rampage (comic story)|Robo Rampage]]''. [[User:TheChampionOfTime|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT">CoT</span>]] [[User talk:TheChampionOfTime|<span title="Talk to me">?</span> ]] 17:28, January 4, 2017 (UTC)]] | |||
There appears to be at least two editors thinking that Osgood is a companion of the [[Twelfth Doctor]] and at least two (including myself) insisting she is not. I propose to stop toggling the category until a consensus is reached, based on the discussion I now start by laying down the main argument (credit for it goes to [[User:TheChampionOfTime|TheChampionOfTime]]) against her being a companion: the Doctor's own words from ''[[Robo Rampage (comic story)|Robo Rampage]]''. {{Unsigned|Amorkuz|20:58, December 28, 2016 }} | |||
:I think she should be considered a one story companion of the twelfth (as she took the role of his companion in the Zygon two-parter). She shouldn't be considered a companion in the Death in Heaven episode though as she didn't travel with the Doctor. [[User:Xx-connor-xX|Xx-connor-xX]] [[User talk:Xx-connor-xX|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:04, December 28, 2016 (UTC) | |||
: | ::The Doctor seems pretty definitive, though. She's not his companion. "I'm ideal material. It's just that my work here on Earth is too important." | ||
::The Doctor [[The Zygon Inversion (TV story)|offered]] to take her with him and Clara in their travels. "Do you want to come?" She replied, "More than anything. But I think I have to stay." | |||
::Is the argument being made that she was briefly a companion in the Zygon stories? But then why isn't Kate a companion, for example, as well? The companion in those stories is still Clara. Osgood is a recurring character, but I don't think the Doctor's companion.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 19:10, January 4, 2017 (UTC) | |||
The way I see it is that she IS a companion. She was asked to be a companion by the Doctor and fulfilled the role of the companion in ''[[Robo Rampage]]''. This is more than can be said for people like Lady [[Christina de Souza]] who was denied companionship. --[[Special:Contributions/86.166.43.154|86.166.43.154]]<sup>[[User talk:86.166.43.154#top|talk to me]]</sup> 18:39, January 5, 2017 (UTC) | |||
:You've hit the nail on the head there. If Osgood isn't considered a companion then the likes of Christina need to be reconsidered. [[User:Xx-connor-xX|Xx-connor-xX]] [[User talk:Xx-connor-xX|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:29, March 11, 2017 (UTC) | |||
:: Christina is a companion ''without the need of an argument'' because the BBC has called her one. We don't have such a stance with Osgood. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|Talk]]) 16:24, May 4, 2017 (UTC) | |||
::: To be fair, though, the BBC has never declared River Song a companion either, yet people seem to have no issues calling her one. Possible compromise is to categorize her as "honorary companion" as has been done with Benton and Yates. Certainly the "must travel in the TARDIS" rule no longer applies (and never has, otherwise Liz Shaw wouldn't qualify as a companion). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] [[User talk:23skidoo|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:17, June 18, 2017 (UTC) | |||
Let us return to the question at hand. However the production teams treated different characters over the years, the in-universe statement by the Doctor would always take precedence. And he said she is not his companion on the image upthread. For those who did not read the comic, he was not joking. He was stating the fact. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:36, June 18, 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Narcissus == | |||
I've listened to Narcissus and if I heard right, it sounded like they confirmed that the human Osgood is still alive, meaning it was the Zygon Osgood that Missy killed. Anyone else want to weigh in on this before we make any changes to Osgood's page? [[User:MystExplorer|MystExplorer]] [[User talk:MystExplorer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:04, April 7, 2019 (UTC) | |||
: | : Yes, it was not stated explicitly. But the implication was clear when Bonnie-Osgood was arguing the other Osgood had smaller chance of survival if sent to the spaceship. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:18, April 7, 2019 (UTC) | ||
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companionship[[edit source]]
There appears to be at least two editors thinking that Osgood is a companion of the Twelfth Doctor and at least two (including myself) insisting she is not. I propose to stop toggling the category until a consensus is reached, based on the discussion I now start by laying down the main argument (credit for it goes to TheChampionOfTime) against her being a companion: the Doctor's own words from Robo Rampage. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amorkuz (talk • contribs) 20:58, December 28, 2016 .
- I think she should be considered a one story companion of the twelfth (as she took the role of his companion in the Zygon two-parter). She shouldn't be considered a companion in the Death in Heaven episode though as she didn't travel with the Doctor. Xx-connor-xX ☎ 21:04, December 28, 2016 (UTC)
- The Doctor seems pretty definitive, though. She's not his companion. "I'm ideal material. It's just that my work here on Earth is too important."
- The Doctor offered to take her with him and Clara in their travels. "Do you want to come?" She replied, "More than anything. But I think I have to stay."
- Is the argument being made that she was briefly a companion in the Zygon stories? But then why isn't Kate a companion, for example, as well? The companion in those stories is still Clara. Osgood is a recurring character, but I don't think the Doctor's companion.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 19:10, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
The way I see it is that she IS a companion. She was asked to be a companion by the Doctor and fulfilled the role of the companion in Robo Rampage. This is more than can be said for people like Lady Christina de Souza who was denied companionship. --86.166.43.154talk to me 18:39, January 5, 2017 (UTC)
- You've hit the nail on the head there. If Osgood isn't considered a companion then the likes of Christina need to be reconsidered. Xx-connor-xX ☎ 13:29, March 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Christina is a companion without the need of an argument because the BBC has called her one. We don't have such a stance with Osgood. OS25 (Talk) 16:24, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
- To be fair, though, the BBC has never declared River Song a companion either, yet people seem to have no issues calling her one. Possible compromise is to categorize her as "honorary companion" as has been done with Benton and Yates. Certainly the "must travel in the TARDIS" rule no longer applies (and never has, otherwise Liz Shaw wouldn't qualify as a companion). 23skidoo ☎ 22:17, June 18, 2017 (UTC)
- Christina is a companion without the need of an argument because the BBC has called her one. We don't have such a stance with Osgood. OS25 (Talk) 16:24, May 4, 2017 (UTC)
Let us return to the question at hand. However the production teams treated different characters over the years, the in-universe statement by the Doctor would always take precedence. And he said she is not his companion on the image upthread. For those who did not read the comic, he was not joking. He was stating the fact. Amorkuz ☎ 23:36, June 18, 2017 (UTC)
Narcissus[[edit source]]
I've listened to Narcissus and if I heard right, it sounded like they confirmed that the human Osgood is still alive, meaning it was the Zygon Osgood that Missy killed. Anyone else want to weigh in on this before we make any changes to Osgood's page? MystExplorer ☎ 17:04, April 7, 2019 (UTC)
