Talk:Devious (home video)

Continuity

Since this story is not considered canon, the continuity section has been removed and placed here instead. The following was removed:

• This story takes place immediately after TV: The War Games and immediately before TV: Spearhead from Space, which is at odds with the Season 6B put forth primarily by TV: The Two Doctors and COMIC: Action in Exile. (The group may be unknowingly viewing a recording, and actually retrieved the Doctor during his forced regeneration at the end of COMIC: The Night Walkers. This would not be out-of-character for the Time Lords, as they had a spy among the TARDIS group and later manipulated video evidence to frame the Doctor for crimes they committed {TV: The Trial of a Time Lord}.)
• Although not addressed, the Third Doctor looking considerably older at the start of his lifetime than seen in Spearhead from Space is not necessarily an error. In TV: The Christmas Invasion, it is established that a Time Lord can alter his or her body immediately after the regeneration (and is supported by Romana I's regeneration in TV: Destiny of the Daleks). TV: Time Crash also establishes that if two incarnations of the same Time Lord interact, it can cause one of them to appear older.
• The Third Doctor would hear the final words he spoke to the Second-and-a-Halfth Doctor at the end of his own life, uttered by K'anpo Rimpoche to Sarah Jane Smith and Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart in TV: Planet of the Spiders.

Please do not re add this to the page or add anything to this. MM/Want to talk? 17:33, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

That's a very weak argument. Our definition of "canon" is simply "what we cover." We should write "non-cannon" articles like any other, but with the non-dwu tag at the top. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 17:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

How? It is a non DWU story, so it can't have continuity. See talk:P.S. (webcast) for another example. MM/Want to talk? 17:40, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's non DWU because we don't cover it. P.S. is a story that is a deleted scene that many out of our reach consider canon. This is a dvd feature starring Jon Pertwee that many people consider somewhat cannon. To say "Well, because we don't cover it in our mainstream canon we're gonna fail to mention any references to other episodes it makes" is just bloody stupid. (Not an attack on you, but rather on this idea around the wikia) OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 18:16, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest you start a forum discussion if you bothered about it. MM/Want to talk? 19:20, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with re-adding the continuity back into the page. Just because it's not canon doesn't mean we should not mention the connection to other DW stories. But I agree it should be reworded so someone doesn't get confused, thinking this is part of official continuity.

89.111.70.58^{talk to me} 19:08, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

I know it was later rewritten to

• Per authorial intent, this story is the "bridge" between TV: The War Games and TV: Spearhead from Space. While this is at odds with the Season 6B put forth primarily by TV: The Two Doctors and COMIC: Action in Exile, it is possible that the group was unknowingly viewing a recording of the Second Doctor's trial and actually retrieved him during his forced regeneration at the end of COMIC: The Night Walkers. Such a move would not be out-of-character for the Time Lords, as they had a spy among the TARDIS group in this story and, much later in the Doctor's life, manipulated video evidence to frame him for crimes they committed (TV: The Trial of a Time Lord).

I think it should be re-added. Not because I originally added it, but because it allows for slotting into established canon if somebody wanted to. Plus, manipulation has been used several times by the Time Lord higher-ups to suit their own purposes (The Trial of a Time Lord, the Master's "drumbeat in his head" element, and probably others that don't come to mind right now), hence that note in the portion above. -Daniel Benfield/Want to chat? 03:44, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Fan fiction?

Why is this covered on the wiki if it's a fan production? Shambala108 ☎ 14:07, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

I think it merits inclusion because it was released by the BBC on the DVD of The War Games. P&P talk contribs 14:19, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page should state that the Doctor in this story is the Second and a half Doctor? 49.145.167.128^{talk to me} 12:32, December 6, 2016 (UTC) SG

Name

This page has flip-flopped in the past between its name being Devious or Devious (home video). By the usual dab terms policies, invalid stories like this don't necessarily need a dab term. However, there has been confusion across the Wiki, with users believing that this page is about the fanfilm Devious as a whole, rather than the specific DVD bonus feature which happens to include footage from the fanfilm. As the above section demonstrates, even admins got confused about this.

I am thus renaming this back to "Devious (home video)" in the hope that it will make clearer that this page is about the 12-minutes-long, officially-released DVD bonus — not about the fanfilm — and should not be linked on other pages when trying to talk about the latter. This is not a page about the fanfilm. T:NO FANFIC stands. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC)