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Given this, "Jenny T. Colgan" should be the page name, as the more recent and numerous credit. {{User:PicassoAndPringles/sig}} 00:58, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
Given this, "Jenny T. Colgan" should be the page name, as the more recent and numerous credit. {{User:PicassoAndPringles/sig}} 00:58, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
:I agree. This should be renamed to reflect more recent credits, just as Ms ''Coleman'' is no longer at [[Jenna-Louise Coleman]].{{User:SOTO/sig}} 22:37, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
:I agree. This should be renamed to reflect more recent credits, just as Ms ''Coleman'' is no longer at [[Jenna-Louise Coleman]].{{User:SOTO/sig}} 22:37, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
: Another Jenny T Colgan credit for ''[[Through the Ruins (audio story)|Through the Ruins]]'' from January 2017. Yes, this is clearly her preferred credit and the page should reflect that accordingly. The only nitpicky thing is ''Jenny T. Colgan'' or ''Jenny T Colgan'' in order to begin making link changes in prep for a page move? It seems to be a stylistic thing between the BF audios (Jenny T Colgan) and the prose (Jenny T. Colgan). [[User:Mewiet|Mewiet]] [[User talk:Mewiet|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:21, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
:: Actually, I'm not sure our policies support the renaming. [[T:ACTOR]], which is explicitly stated to be applicable to others in [[T:CREW]], states, '''use the spelling present in the majority of their credits throughout their career'''. In other words, the page name should reflect the most common real world name, not the most common name DW fans know. The website [https://www.jennycolgan.com], Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/jennycolganbooks/] (linked from the website) and Twitter [https://twitter.com/jennycolgan] (verified) all omit the middle initial both in the address and on the page. Her {{w|Jenny Colgan|wikipedia page}} lists only 5 works with the initial (plus 4 audios and a couple of short stories for good measure here at the Tardis wiki at a quick and imprecise count), whereas at least 21 books are published without the initial. It appears to me that she uses the T. initial primarily for her ''Doctor Who'' works, which are not (yet?) the majority of her oeuvre. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:53, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
::: That's a very strange part of our policy, then. Maybe we should reconsider changing it to specify "use the spelling present in the majority of their credits throughout their ''Doctor Who'' career". Or "Doctor Who universe" career. That only seems logical, given that we're a Doctor Who wiki and all. (Their majority-career name would be left behind as a redirect, in this scenario.) – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 17:23, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
:::: New info. In [[The Day She Saved the Doctor (anthology)]], the bio for JTC explicitly states that for ''Doctor Who'' she writes as Jenny T Colgan, whereas her other bestsellers are under Jenny Colgan. Here is a full quote:
{{quote|Jenny T. Colgan has written twenty-five novels under the name Jenny Colgan and, as Jenny T. Colgan, has published extensively in the ''Doctor Who'' universe...|Bio blurb|The Day She Saved the Doctor (anthology)}}
:::: Given this self-description, I tend to agree with Nate. This is intent, not chance. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:08, April 10, 2018 (UTC)
::::: Further new instances since last discussion. Her name is listed as Jenny T. Colgan on the Class audio [[Life Experience (audio story)|Life Experience]], on [[Time Reaver (audio story)|Time Reaver]] and on [[One Mile Down (audio story)|One Mile Down]]. The Big Finish website lists her contributions under Jenny T Colgan. Her bio page at Hachette Publishing's website lists her as Jenny T. Colgan and distinctly separates out her Who-related work under this name. It seems Into The Nowhere was the exception in the above examples - well, it must be of note that Penguin now lists an edition in which the T ''has been added'' to the cover here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1098007/doctor-who--into-the-nowhere--time-trips-/9781448141838.html I get that [[T:ACTOR]] doesn't exactly provide for this situation, so perhaps an amendment should be proposed - under a similar vein of the exceptions for legal name changes and trans people - to allow for instances in which an actor or crew member has made a clear & intended distinction between their wider career and their work on Who-related projects.  [[User:JDPManjoume|JDPManjoume]] [[User talk:JDPManjoume|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:47, September 2, 2020 (UTC)
:::::: As I don't believe this discussion ever reached a conclusion, I think it should be revived. The policy change to [[T:ACTOR]] should probably be a forum discussion but, as they aren't currently active, does anyone have any opinions on it? I personally think it's a worthwhile change: we cover Doctor Who and Doctor Who related fiction, not every work of fiction, after all. [[User:Bongolium500|Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500)]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

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Here is how Ms Colgan has been credited to date (except A Long Way Down):

J T Colgan:

Jenny Colgan:

Jenny T. Colgan:

Given this, "Jenny T. Colgan" should be the page name, as the more recent and numerous credit. P&P talk contribs 00:58, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

I agree. This should be renamed to reflect more recent credits, just as Ms Coleman is no longer at Jenna-Louise Coleman.
× SOTO (//) 22:37, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
Another Jenny T Colgan credit for Through the Ruins from January 2017. Yes, this is clearly her preferred credit and the page should reflect that accordingly. The only nitpicky thing is Jenny T. Colgan or Jenny T Colgan in order to begin making link changes in prep for a page move? It seems to be a stylistic thing between the BF audios (Jenny T Colgan) and the prose (Jenny T. Colgan). Mewiet 07:21, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
Actually, I'm not sure our policies support the renaming. T:ACTOR, which is explicitly stated to be applicable to others in T:CREW, states, use the spelling present in the majority of their credits throughout their career. In other words, the page name should reflect the most common real world name, not the most common name DW fans know. The website [1], Facebook [2] (linked from the website) and Twitter [3] (verified) all omit the middle initial both in the address and on the page. Her wikipedia page lists only 5 works with the initial (plus 4 audios and a couple of short stories for good measure here at the Tardis wiki at a quick and imprecise count), whereas at least 21 books are published without the initial. It appears to me that she uses the T. initial primarily for her Doctor Who works, which are not (yet?) the majority of her oeuvre. Amorkuz 13:53, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
That's a very strange part of our policy, then. Maybe we should reconsider changing it to specify "use the spelling present in the majority of their credits throughout their Doctor Who career". Or "Doctor Who universe" career. That only seems logical, given that we're a Doctor Who wiki and all. (Their majority-career name would be left behind as a redirect, in this scenario.) – N8 17:23, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
New info. In The Day She Saved the Doctor (anthology), the bio for JTC explicitly states that for Doctor Who she writes as Jenny T Colgan, whereas her other bestsellers are under Jenny Colgan. Here is a full quote:

Jenny T. Colgan has written twenty-five novels under the name Jenny Colgan and, as Jenny T. Colgan, has published extensively in the Doctor Who universe...Bio blurb [The Day She Saved the Doctor (anthology) [src]]

Given this self-description, I tend to agree with Nate. This is intent, not chance. Amorkuz 21:08, April 10, 2018 (UTC)
Further new instances since last discussion. Her name is listed as Jenny T. Colgan on the Class audio Life Experience, on Time Reaver and on One Mile Down. The Big Finish website lists her contributions under Jenny T Colgan. Her bio page at Hachette Publishing's website lists her as Jenny T. Colgan and distinctly separates out her Who-related work under this name. It seems Into The Nowhere was the exception in the above examples - well, it must be of note that Penguin now lists an edition in which the T has been added to the cover here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1098007/doctor-who--into-the-nowhere--time-trips-/9781448141838.html I get that T:ACTOR doesn't exactly provide for this situation, so perhaps an amendment should be proposed - under a similar vein of the exceptions for legal name changes and trans people - to allow for instances in which an actor or crew member has made a clear & intended distinction between their wider career and their work on Who-related projects. JDPManjoume 14:47, September 2, 2020 (UTC)
As I don't believe this discussion ever reached a conclusion, I think it should be revived. The policy change to T:ACTOR should probably be a forum discussion but, as they aren't currently active, does anyone have any opinions on it? I personally think it's a worthwhile change: we cover Doctor Who and Doctor Who related fiction, not every work of fiction, after all. Bongo50 (aka Bongolium500) 11:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)