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I think its the 11th Doctor knocking. Both DT and RTD said it is not the master or anything you would think of, it is an emotional twist. 11 is life and death and he knocks on the door and forces the regeneration. Either that or RTD jumps the shark and its the Human Doctor and he kills 10. other than that its the valeyard played be Matt Smith Geffe71 17:51, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

He literally knocks four times. How could the 11th Doctor literally knock four times? They said the knocking will literally be heard, literal. A sin, knock, knock, knock, knock. How could the 11th Doctor knock? In order to do that, he would have to meet his 10th incarnation and then knock four times. But no, it's regeneration, or indeed death (they keep hinting the Doctor will die).

It needs to be someone who the Doctor can see and hear, someone who is literally there. Some people think it's Wilf. I personally keep picturing this sad scene where Wilf is dying, and to get the Doctor's attention, he knocks four times, and then dies. But it could by anyone, anything. But because the prophecy was very dark about the knocking, and the plot calls it the "deadly prophecy", it must be something really bad. How is the Doctor regeneration a deadly prophecy? And like I said, the Doctor needs to hear the knocking, and at least be in the room with whoever it is.

The four knocks may be linked to a character death, though. I mean, right before Abdelaide commited suicide, you hear a knock, knock, knock, knock. Delton Menace 20:28, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I based the theory on the basis that matt smith will or wont be the 11th doctor, because they keep hinting that something else will happen, that matt smith is the doctor and then saying he might play someone else, to keep people guessing, whjich i am doing. I also made the theory cuz my mind is wandering Geffe71 20:53, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Both in and out universe, it keeps refering to death... Heck, The Woman said it was "the Doctor's final battle" and didn't put a 'Tenth' in there. Wilf said he doesn't want the Doctor to die as opposed to regenerate, too. And the ending song thing... the Doctor's song wouldn't end just because of a regeneration. Song refers to life, so they're saying his life is coming to an end. I'm really confused. I think, maybe the Doctor does indeed die, but I don't know what to make of Matt Smith's character... If the Doctor does die, then the one knocking could be the one who will take his place. Delton Menace 20:59, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's one pretty obvious way The Doctor could actually die. The Master was really and finally dead, when the Time Lords resurrected him to fight in the LGTW, right? So they could presumably do the same for The Doctor.

If so, we'd get a real death scene rather than just a regeneration sequence, and Matt Smith would presumably be the "new 1st Doctor" instead of the 11th (meaning there are still 12 new actors ahead, instead of 2).

The question is, why would the Time Lords do this? Whatever The Master's plans are for an army of 6 billion Masters, it probably doesn't include bringing the Time Lord council back to life to rule over him (and maybe punish him for fleeing the War). So, it seems plausible that they would resurrect The Master's greatest foe to stop him.

Of course The Doctor would have to betray them and maybe even team up with The Master to stop them. But it's not like he hasn't had to work with The Master before against a greater evil (usually also taking The Master down at the same time).

But none of this answers the prophecy of the four knocks. --99.157.75.211 23:18, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I remember reading something about someone asking David Tennant if the tenth doctor regenerates into Matt Smith at the end. But David said he couldn't say. Maybe the 11th doctor does knock four times literally cause anything can happen in sci fi

He couldn't even say if it was regeneration? He's hiding something, that is obvious. Somethings tells me there will be a new first Doctor, same conciounce, new body, and therefore new first incarnation of that body. But the knocking remains an emotion mystery. Delton Menace 14:57, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hate to say it but maybe the doctor is someone else and they are using matt smith to cover it up, you can not deny that he has in fact been seen filming and with the companion. what i dont get is that there are no reports from locations from fans (unless im not looking) and he could be an evil time lord, mind you i am spitballing Geffe71 15:33, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Which Doctor is someone else? And well, the Matt Smith Doctor does mentione the events of Amy of Ghosts/Doomsday and The Stolen Earth/Journey's End from leaked (voice) footage in a (one episode) Dalek story at some point in series 5 set in one of the World Wars. He rants about how he sent them into the void, and saved reality from them, but they keep coming back. Delton Menace 15:39, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Just saw the 2010/series 5 trailer. Matt Smith looks very good, but I doubt he is the "The Doctor", either that or SM took some liberties with his version and like Delton said is a replacement for "The Doctor" in the form of another time lord taking up the mantle.Geffe71 20:49, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Where's this trailer you speak of, Geffe? There wasn't one at the end of the episode. The evil dude. 20:52, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

its on the BBC website but youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tPte4rQMpI Geffe71 20:57, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

The four knocks were Wilfred in the locking chamber thing. Creeped me out cause it came from a source I wasn't expecting.