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I cited it and removed the deletion banner, 'cause I hear that was due to the lack of citation. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 11:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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* I'm surprised that folks were so quick to toss the deletion banner up, considering the news was everywhere including the Doctor Who News Page and the BBC itself. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 14:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


==Source re: alien==
== The mother-in-law ==
This one's funny. It was actually a joke published by DWIN, but it seems to have been picked up as fact in some places. I'll add a source to straighten things out. Since this was posted by a major fan organization, plus I have seen some people taking the "Wolf Weed" thing as being fact, I think mentioning it and indicating that it's just a joke is important. I even nearly fell for it (I did not see this original posting, which is clearly a josh). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 17:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Since the legality of the marriage between Eleven and River is very much in doubt, isn't it dubious to call her — especially in the lead — the Doctor's mother-'''in-law'''. She may very well be no such damned thing. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 16:40: Tue 25 Sep 2012</span>
* I think "Hoax" is a bit strong, because hoaxes are intended to mislead the public. DWIN's joke, once you looked at it, was obvious as they used images of K9 from the 70s and a few other references. I'm going to change the heading to "Practical Joke". DWIN's error was in the timing; this would have been a perfect April Fool's joke. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 02:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
*It has been stated on the show twice, though.  She says it herself in The Wedding of River Song, and the Doctor says he's married in the Asylum of the Daleks prequel... '''<font color=#609000>d</font> [[User:Witoki|<font color=#609000>●</font>]][[User_talk:Witoki|<font color=#FF6090>•</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Witoki|<font color=#6090FF>·</font>]]''' 16:47, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
: River calls him "husband" in ''Angels Take Manhattan'' as well. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 19:07, October 5, 2012 (UTC)


== Soothsayer Connection ==
On another "mother-in-law" front, I seriously think it's pushing it to say that she's Liz I's mother in law. 1) Amy was already married, voiding the marriage to Henry, and 2) we have no information about the legality of E marriage of Liz I and the Tenth Doctor. He could have faked it, she could have annulled it, she didn't appear to consider them married and he definitely does not. I think that line needs either to go or it needs to be significantly lessened in declarative strength.--[[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:38, March 22, 2013 (UTC)


They did this with alot when multiple characters are portrayed by one actor, Martha and the Cyberized woman being "cousins" and Gwen and her ancestor from the the 1800's. If Russel was still doing the shows I wouldn't put it passed him to have a throw away line like "You wouldn't happen to be greek?" wish Moffat could do something cooler than that though. - DontEatRawHagis
== The Henry VIII Story ==
In "A Town Called Mercy", Rory mentionned the Doctor leaving his phone charger in Henry VIII's suite. This event is depicted in the following story, "The Power of Three". in order to keep a chronological timeline, I moved the little synopsis of ATCM in the middle of the TPOT synopsis. Anyone who doesn't agree with this, feel free to undo changes. [[User:Chapeltok|Chapeltok]] [[User talk:Chapeltok|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:51, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
: There's not really enough in ''The Power of Three'' to say that the charger incident is definitively connected to when Amy marries Henry VIII. The Eleventh Doctor's visited 1938 like three times after all. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 23:15, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


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== Third Scots regular ==
<li>Most likely, it may be subtly mentioned in the episode(s) that will feature the vampires, confirmed on the Doctor Who website trailer <ref>http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newyear/</ref> and on a Doctor Who fan blog which has rumoured the title ''Vampires of Venice'' before the trailer aired.<ref>http://lifetheuniverseandcombom.blogspot.com/2009/11/doctor-who-series-5-episode-titles.html</ref> Additionally, the rumoured title and the trailer both have a setting that has similar look to the episode, [[The Fires of Pompeii]]. | JamesWho
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== Rumours ==
I know I've read somewhere that the Brigadier is of Scottish ''descent'' (I think ''Terror of the Zygons'' may have been the source, though I haven't watched it), but is that enough to call him a Scot? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 19:06, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
:You're questioning the Scots credentials of a man with the name Stewart?  Brave man, you are.  Suffice it to say that both his first and last appearances firmly establish him as a "practising" Scot.  From Zygons:
::SJS: I didn't expect to see you in a kilt.
::BRIG: My dear Miss Smith, my name is Lethbridge-Stewart.  The ''clan'' Stewart.
::SJS: Sorry, I thought you were doing a Doctor (referencing the Doc's faux Scots garb)
::BRIG: What an absurd idea. 
[[file:BrigRightProfileWOF.jpg|thumb|left|That's a pretty Scots cap]]
:Also, costuming in ''[[The Web of Fear]]'' gives him a cap with a clear Tartan pattern on it.  Dialogue doesn't say he's from a Scots regiment, but it doesn't really need to, in light of the cap.


Could we maybe get some protection on this page, to stop unregistered users leaving weird unconfirmed speculation like she will be Donna Noble's cousin. I also think she should be added to the Companions list on the main toolbar <<< . Similarly, shouldn't the Eleventh Doctor appear on The Doctor section on the toolbar <<< ? -- [[User:Will101|Will101]] 21:27, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sure there's also plenty of evidence from other media. ''[[The Warkeeper's Crown (comic story)|The Warkeeper's Crown]]'', as I recall, stresses his lineage with emphasis on older members of his family that he would have personally met as a child.  So it's not ''distant'' Scots ancestry. I'm sure there are books which characterise him as a Scot, too, but I don't have those citations to hand.  I think he's actually meant to be born in Scotland, but ended up with an RP accent simply because of his military education down south.  Again, though, I don't have a citation readily to hand for that.


:The Eleventh Doctor and Amy Pond are being left off the dropdown lists until we have more information.
:But ''Web'' and ''Terror'' give us ample evidence to say that Amy is very definitely the third televised regular Scot. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 03:51: Tue 30 Oct 2012</span>
[[User:Americanwhofan|Americanwhofan]] 21:48, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


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::Oh yeah! There's also the ''fabulous'' way ''Terror of the Zygons'' ends.  Since you've not seen it yet, I'm loathe to spoil it for you.  But the last word of the script, applied to the Brig, is "Scotsman". {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 04:13: Tue 30 Oct 2012</span>
<li>The Eleventh Doctor should be added to the list of Doctors, considering he has confirmed his appearance as the new Doctor in the episode [[The End of Time]] Part 2. | [[JamesWho]]
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But why? They've been confirmed as the Eleventh Doctor and his Companion! -- [[User:Will101|Will101]] 21:49, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
== Year of Death ==
* I second that. I'm not sure what "dropdown list" is being referred to here, but if anything has been removed, it should be put back. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 12:02, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
I don't think we have enough information to really determine the year of death for Amy or Rory. Doing so involved too many assumptions - exactly when they were sent back to, their exact ages at the time that happened, whether or not those ages were accurately recorded (or reported) once they got there, even the time of year they actually died in, etc. [[User:Spreee|Spreee]] [[User talk:Spreee|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:51, October 13, 2012 (UTC)Spreee


It's the sidebar on the left <<< :) -- [[User:Will101|Will101]] 14:40, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
== Craig ==
The Amy Pond page reference Craig Owens being in only one episode - he was in two. {{unsigned-anon|206.177.43.72}}


==Policewoman outfit==
==Amy Pond Peg Doll==
I removed a reference to Amy arresting the Doctor. We don't know what the context of that outfit is, and unless she's in the vice squad, that short skirt is decidedly not regulation. It could just as easily be some form of costume. I did add a reference to the shorts/leggings because a pattern does seem to be emerging in all of the location photos that have been published so far, ranging from the first episode of the series (with the police outfit) to presumably later episodes (like the first one filmed in July). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 12:02, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
* Once again, I removed the reference to her arresting the Doctor. Unless someone has managed to see the episode in question, we can't state this. If someone connected with the production - an actor, a writer - has indicated this, then it needs a source. We also once again don't know if this is a real uniform (although it does look more like the genuine article in the photo included in the Telegraph link I posted, though I still doubt whether her skirt is regulation unless she's Vice). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 18:39, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


==21st Century or 1995?==
Just wondering if we could create an article on the Peg Doll version or maybe just add a photo


I keep hearing that the Eleventh Doctor will meet Amy in 1995, but her time perdiod is down as the 21st century on the wiki. The setting of the filming pictures themselves hint that it will be 1995. Post offices appear to be in common use, whereas nearly everything is done through machines in the 21st century; before the 2000s came along, a lot of things were done through post offices, not machines. The filming pictures all seem to show a 90s setting, lacking machines and having the use of a post office instead. There is very few post offices even around anymore in the 21st century. Though there are still some, so it may be a bit of a stetch to say post office = set in the 90s. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 19:23, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
I find Peg Doll Amy creepily brilliant {{unsigned|BigCatFan}}
- This would be a blessing honestly, if it does turn out to be true. I like the idea of having a character a few years removed from current times, good way to play 'surprise at the future' to even stuff we're used to. Also, grunge-era dress sense! Awesome. [[User:Ponk|Ponk]] 07:23, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
 
== How gone IS Amy? ==
 
In "The Bells Of Saint John" there is a book that Oswin see's a character of in real life. On the book it shows a group of people which can easily be wiped away under the bed as if it were no big deal, which it isn't, EXCEPT for one disturbing "thingy" on the books front cover. It's author. The author of the book is Amelia Willaims. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... How "gone" is she now?
 
: Please sign your posts. She's not even two stories gone, she's waving at her family through history. Still doesn't mean the Doctor can see her without ripping a hole in reality.--[[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:54, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
== Clare Corbett? ==
[[Clare Corbett]] is listed as the main voice actor for Amy, but her page says she only voiced two characters (neither of them Amy) and read multiple audio releases which did feature Amy, but it doesn't sound like she's voicing the specific character of Amy, just narrating stories that Amy is in. I don't think that makes her a voice actor for Amy, unless there's some missing information on Corbett's page. [[User:Mewiet|Mewiet]] [[User talk:Mewiet|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:26, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
:I took it down for now. If she does actually voice Amy somewhere, then it can be re-added (and included on Corbett's page). [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:10, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure she ''does'' specifically voice Amy in ''[[The Hounds of Artemis]]'', which, you're right, is not even mentioned on her page. That one's less of a her-reading-for-everyone situation, and more of one closely resembling ''[[The Companion Chronicles]]'', wherein two actors play ''mainly'' two charactersm but also others here and there. Matt Smith plays the Doctor plus any male characters, and she plays Amy plus any female.<br>--[[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|<span title="SmallerOnTheOutside">SOTO</span>]] ([[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|<span title="Give me a shout">☎</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/SmallerOnTheOutside|<span title="My contribs">✍</span>]]\[[Special:Contributions/SV7|<span title="What my bot's been up to" style="font-size:80%">'''♆'''</span>]]) 04:11, March 11, 2014 (UTC)
 
== Henry VIII: "Spouse" ==
Why is Henry VIII listed as Amy's spouse? This is the dialogue for the scene:
 
Amy: Somebody was talking and I just said yes. <br>
Rory: To wedding vows! You just married Henry VIII on our anniversary.
 
They were there for Henry VIII's wedding to someone else and Amy, absently overhearing someone talking, just said the word "yes." That does not constitute a ceremony or legal agreement, especially when the words weren't even directed at her, she's never referred to as Henry VIII's wife unless Rory's line is stretched to be taken as something other than a verbal jab to the ribs, and there's no evidence Amy or Henry VIII consider Amy's "yes" to be legally/religiously/culturally/ceremonially/morally binding. [[User:Mewiet|Mewiet]] [[User talk:Mewiet|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:55, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
 
:I haven't seen the episode but I have to agree. Moffat and company are fond of writing cutsie little things that some people take a bit too seriously. I know [[T:NO RW]] applies, but how can Amy be married to someone (Henry) when she's already legally married to Rory? At any rate, going by infobox standards, it's a minor blip in one episode that doesn't really rate being in the infobox. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:32, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
 
== Death in Heaven ==
Given that we have absolutely no narrative evidence to state that Amy was one of the Cyber-converted individuals in ''Death in Heaven'', why was this mentioned as fact on the page? I've reverted it for now, but I'll need to check and make sure this doesn't pop up later. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ~ [[Message Wall:Bwburke94|Creator of All Things Brilliant!]] ~  05:48, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
 
:Well seeing that Amy was buried on Earth, and that all humans up 'till the events of Death in Heaven have been converted into Cybermen (as said in the episode), I think it is safe to assume that she must have been among the Cybermen. It isn't really important, but I don't think it's incorrect to say so. --[[User:Wickle Fwickle|Wickle Fwickle]] [[User talk:Wickle Fwickle|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:50, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
 
A more general look at this question can be found at [[Thread:165490]], if you want to take a look.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 10:01, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
 
== The name "River Song" ==
 
Is this correct? '''Amy bestowed her maiden name, Pond on her daughter, opining that "Melody Williams" sounded like a geography teacher, whereas "Melody Pond" was the name for a superhero. In the end, she would be essentially both, albeit under a modified name''' This refers to the use of "River Song" which, as far as I can figure, is still "Melody Pond" but corrupted by translation to and back from the language of the Gamma Forests as mentioned in the next few sentences of this entry. {{Unsigned|Granville4879}}
 
== Ganger Amy ==
Should we add a new page about Amy's Ganger? There are still more pages about others', so why not Amy's? [[User:Scheepybird|Scheepybird]] [[User talk:Scheepybird|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:13, December 22, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== The Tip ==
 
During the whole Missy and Cybermen debacle, when Kate and her soldiers showed up, they said they knew to come because a Scottish girl called in a tip.  as far as I'm aware, Amy is the only important Scottish female character in the series.  This is purely speculation since we don't actually see or hear her, but is it possible she was part of the 91 original Cybermen stored in England? I mean, I wouldn't put it past the Master to dig up the Doctor's dead companions and use them as phase one of the plan. I only propose this because how else could Amy have been there and called it in since she was trapped by the Weeping Angels without some later to be explained Ex Machina plot?  [[User:Shadowfox337|Shadowfox337]] [[User talk:Shadowfox337|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:11, September 10, 2015 (UTC)
:There is no way to tell who the Scottish woman was. It could have been Missy herself who called up and told them to come. We can't put it on her page without in-universe proof it was Amy who made the call. [[User:Mewiet|Mewiet]] [[User talk:Mewiet|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:37, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
==Subheadings==
Are the sub-headings under Alternative Timelines supposed to be out of universe?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:43, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
:They are all alternate timelines that Amy experienced within the DWU. [[User:Mewiet|Mewiet]] [[User talk:Mewiet|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:33, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
...yes, but are the headings supposed to be out of universe?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 17:43, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
::Oh! I understand what you mean now. The first two work both in-universe and out-of-universe and I think they unintentionally set a tone for the others. I agree they should he altered to reflect the in-universe side. [[User:Mewiet|Mewiet]] [[User talk:Mewiet|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:02, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
Yeah, I'd probably change them all. I don't know what to though.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 16:56, September 24, 2015 (UTC)
 
== Proposed image change. ==
 
[[File:Amy_Geronimo.jpg|thumb|Currant image]]
 
[[File:AmyLooksLeftAfterVoting.jpg|thumb|Proposal #1]]
 
 
The currant image and the proposal are very similar except the proposed is brighter and facing the article, which is desired according to wiki policy, whereas the currant does not. Amy's hair also isn't as distracting due to being in mid air so to speak. [[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:27, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
 
== Clones or children? ==
 
Gonna put an end to this problem right now. Because this (are these supposed embryos children of Amy) is an area that needs explanation and/or could be disputed, it does not belong in the infobox. Put it in the body of the article if you must, but leave it out of the infoboxes. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:05, January 25, 2018 (UTC)
 
:I think it’s made pretty clear in the story. River directly refers to the “clones” as her siblings throughout and she mentions that they were created through embryo cloning, meaning that they are genetically identical or at least very to River but also Amy and Rory’s biological children, born through Host/Surrogate mothers. It’s not like they directly cloned River, they cloned an embryo that eventually became River and made more children from it. [[User:SarahJaneFan|SarahJaneFan]] [[User talk:SarahJaneFan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]]
 
::This is a big ethical discussion that many editors will dispute - it is best just to leave out. Perhaps the same should be done on River's page as well? [[User:Snivystorm|Snivystorm]] [[User talk:Snivystorm|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:39, January 25, 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:32, January 26, 2018 (UTC)
 
::There are two quotes from ''[[The Lady in the Lake (audio story)|The Lady in the Lake]]'' that are pertinent: "He was my...brother. I suppose." and "Or to be precise, he's like me. Madame Kovarian was a mad scientist and like any self respecting mad scientist she didn't miss the opportunity of an embryonic Time Lord in her lab. She took my DNA and grew seven others like me!" So I take from that ''brother'' and ''sister'' are more of symbolic titles/the easiest explanation as the individuals weren't derived from Amy's eggs in a 52nd century IVF situation, but from DNA stolen from River herself during gestation. In the two separate clone groups (the original seven: Tarn, Wadi, Rindle, Lake, Stream, and Creek) and the later group created after the destruction of Demons Run (Brooke, H-One, H-Two, O) they each grew up together and therefore referred to the others in their specific groups as sisters and/or brothers. The second group also grew up calling Kovarian their mother and in a power trippy, [[Wormwood (Invasion of the Bane)|Mrs Wormwood]] or [[Myers (Sky)|Miss Myers]] style (who artificially created [[Luke Smith]] and [[Sky Smith]]), Kovarian also says they are her children (and tries to insist to River that because she raised her, she is more worthy of the title of her mother than Amy). By the end of ''[[The Furies (audio story)|The Furies]]'' the second group turns on Kovarian for her cruelty and River has a couple of lines where she talks about how the Brooke/H-Two/O have certain traits that were passed down from Amy and Rory. [[User:Mewiet|Mewiet]] [[User talk:Mewiet|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:50, January 26, 2018 (UTC)
 
==Second Child Actress?==
Do we know who played Amelia in her brief appearance at the end of [[The Time of the Doctor (TV story)|The Time of the Doctor]]? I’m 99% it wasn’t Caitlyn, based on the brief glimpse we got of her face. [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] [[User talk:TheFatPanda|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:10, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
 
== Who Else Thinks Amy Should've Been a Companion of Either the 10th or 12th Doctor? ==
 
I think she should have been because all 3 of them were played by Scottish actors, and having a Scottish Doctor and Scottish companion might've been interesting. [[User:Sliderhostmimic|Sliderhostmimic]] [[User talk:Sliderhostmimic|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
: This isn't what a talkpage is for. A talkpage is to discuss the article in a wiki context. Hope this helps. :) [[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<small><sup><font color="green">Talk</font></sup></small>]] 20:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

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The mother-in-law[[edit source]]

Since the legality of the marriage between Eleven and River is very much in doubt, isn't it dubious to call her — especially in the lead — the Doctor's mother-in-law. She may very well be no such damned thing.
czechout<staff />    16:40: Tue 25 Sep 2012

  • It has been stated on the show twice, though. She says it herself in The Wedding of River Song, and the Doctor says he's married in the Asylum of the Daleks prequel... d · 16:47, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
River calls him "husband" in Angels Take Manhattan as well. -- Tybort (talk page) 19:07, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

On another "mother-in-law" front, I seriously think it's pushing it to say that she's Liz I's mother in law. 1) Amy was already married, voiding the marriage to Henry, and 2) we have no information about the legality of E marriage of Liz I and the Tenth Doctor. He could have faked it, she could have annulled it, she didn't appear to consider them married and he definitely does not. I think that line needs either to go or it needs to be significantly lessened in declarative strength.--ComicBookGoddess 10:38, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

The Henry VIII Story[[edit source]]

In "A Town Called Mercy", Rory mentionned the Doctor leaving his phone charger in Henry VIII's suite. This event is depicted in the following story, "The Power of Three". in order to keep a chronological timeline, I moved the little synopsis of ATCM in the middle of the TPOT synopsis. Anyone who doesn't agree with this, feel free to undo changes. Chapeltok 08:51, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

There's not really enough in The Power of Three to say that the charger incident is definitively connected to when Amy marries Henry VIII. The Eleventh Doctor's visited 1938 like three times after all. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:15, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Third Scots regular[[edit source]]

I know I've read somewhere that the Brigadier is of Scottish descent (I think Terror of the Zygons may have been the source, though I haven't watched it), but is that enough to call him a Scot? -- Tybort (talk page) 19:06, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

You're questioning the Scots credentials of a man with the name Stewart? Brave man, you are. Suffice it to say that both his first and last appearances firmly establish him as a "practising" Scot. From Zygons:
SJS: I didn't expect to see you in a kilt.
BRIG: My dear Miss Smith, my name is Lethbridge-Stewart. The clan Stewart.
SJS: Sorry, I thought you were doing a Doctor (referencing the Doc's faux Scots garb)
BRIG: What an absurd idea.
That's a pretty Scots cap
Also, costuming in The Web of Fear gives him a cap with a clear Tartan pattern on it. Dialogue doesn't say he's from a Scots regiment, but it doesn't really need to, in light of the cap.
I'm sure there's also plenty of evidence from other media. The Warkeeper's Crown, as I recall, stresses his lineage with emphasis on older members of his family that he would have personally met as a child. So it's not distant Scots ancestry. I'm sure there are books which characterise him as a Scot, too, but I don't have those citations to hand. I think he's actually meant to be born in Scotland, but ended up with an RP accent simply because of his military education down south. Again, though, I don't have a citation readily to hand for that.
But Web and Terror give us ample evidence to say that Amy is very definitely the third televised regular Scot.
czechout<staff />    03:51: Tue 30 Oct 2012
Oh yeah! There's also the fabulous way Terror of the Zygons ends. Since you've not seen it yet, I'm loathe to spoil it for you. But the last word of the script, applied to the Brig, is "Scotsman".
czechout<staff />    04:13: Tue 30 Oct 2012

Year of Death[[edit source]]

I don't think we have enough information to really determine the year of death for Amy or Rory. Doing so involved too many assumptions - exactly when they were sent back to, their exact ages at the time that happened, whether or not those ages were accurately recorded (or reported) once they got there, even the time of year they actually died in, etc. Spreee 19:51, October 13, 2012 (UTC)Spreee

Craig[[edit source]]

The Amy Pond page reference Craig Owens being in only one episode - he was in two. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.177.43.72 (talk).

Amy Pond Peg Doll[[edit source]]

Just wondering if we could create an article on the Peg Doll version or maybe just add a photo

I find Peg Doll Amy creepily brilliant The preceding unsigned comment was added by BigCatFan (talk • contribs) .

How gone IS Amy?[[edit source]]

In "The Bells Of Saint John" there is a book that Oswin see's a character of in real life. On the book it shows a group of people which can easily be wiped away under the bed as if it were no big deal, which it isn't, EXCEPT for one disturbing "thingy" on the books front cover. It's author. The author of the book is Amelia Willaims. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... How "gone" is she now?

Please sign your posts. She's not even two stories gone, she's waving at her family through history. Still doesn't mean the Doctor can see her without ripping a hole in reality.--ComicBookGoddess 01:54, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Clare Corbett?[[edit source]]

Clare Corbett is listed as the main voice actor for Amy, but her page says she only voiced two characters (neither of them Amy) and read multiple audio releases which did feature Amy, but it doesn't sound like she's voicing the specific character of Amy, just narrating stories that Amy is in. I don't think that makes her a voice actor for Amy, unless there's some missing information on Corbett's page. Mewiet 10:26, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

I took it down for now. If she does actually voice Amy somewhere, then it can be re-added (and included on Corbett's page). Shambala108 14:10, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure she does specifically voice Amy in The Hounds of Artemis, which, you're right, is not even mentioned on her page. That one's less of a her-reading-for-everyone situation, and more of one closely resembling The Companion Chronicles, wherein two actors play mainly two charactersm but also others here and there. Matt Smith plays the Doctor plus any male characters, and she plays Amy plus any female.
--SOTO (/\) 04:11, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

Henry VIII: "Spouse"[[edit source]]

Why is Henry VIII listed as Amy's spouse? This is the dialogue for the scene:

Amy: Somebody was talking and I just said yes.
Rory: To wedding vows! You just married Henry VIII on our anniversary.

They were there for Henry VIII's wedding to someone else and Amy, absently overhearing someone talking, just said the word "yes." That does not constitute a ceremony or legal agreement, especially when the words weren't even directed at her, she's never referred to as Henry VIII's wife unless Rory's line is stretched to be taken as something other than a verbal jab to the ribs, and there's no evidence Amy or Henry VIII consider Amy's "yes" to be legally/religiously/culturally/ceremonially/morally binding. Mewiet 04:55, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

I haven't seen the episode but I have to agree. Moffat and company are fond of writing cutsie little things that some people take a bit too seriously. I know T:NO RW applies, but how can Amy be married to someone (Henry) when she's already legally married to Rory? At any rate, going by infobox standards, it's a minor blip in one episode that doesn't really rate being in the infobox. Shambala108 13:32, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Death in Heaven[[edit source]]

Given that we have absolutely no narrative evidence to state that Amy was one of the Cyber-converted individuals in Death in Heaven, why was this mentioned as fact on the page? I've reverted it for now, but I'll need to check and make sure this doesn't pop up later. Bwburke94 ~ Creator of All Things Brilliant! ~ 05:48, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well seeing that Amy was buried on Earth, and that all humans up 'till the events of Death in Heaven have been converted into Cybermen (as said in the episode), I think it is safe to assume that she must have been among the Cybermen. It isn't really important, but I don't think it's incorrect to say so. --Wickle Fwickle 05:50, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

A more general look at this question can be found at Thread:165490, if you want to take a look.--Skittles the hog - talk 10:01, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

The name "River Song"[[edit source]]

Is this correct? Amy bestowed her maiden name, Pond on her daughter, opining that "Melody Williams" sounded like a geography teacher, whereas "Melody Pond" was the name for a superhero. In the end, she would be essentially both, albeit under a modified name This refers to the use of "River Song" which, as far as I can figure, is still "Melody Pond" but corrupted by translation to and back from the language of the Gamma Forests as mentioned in the next few sentences of this entry. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Granville4879 (talk • contribs) .

Ganger Amy[[edit source]]

Should we add a new page about Amy's Ganger? There are still more pages about others', so why not Amy's? Scheepybird 16:13, December 22, 2014 (UTC)


The Tip[[edit source]]

During the whole Missy and Cybermen debacle, when Kate and her soldiers showed up, they said they knew to come because a Scottish girl called in a tip. as far as I'm aware, Amy is the only important Scottish female character in the series. This is purely speculation since we don't actually see or hear her, but is it possible she was part of the 91 original Cybermen stored in England? I mean, I wouldn't put it past the Master to dig up the Doctor's dead companions and use them as phase one of the plan. I only propose this because how else could Amy have been there and called it in since she was trapped by the Weeping Angels without some later to be explained Ex Machina plot? Shadowfox337 11:11, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

There is no way to tell who the Scottish woman was. It could have been Missy herself who called up and told them to come. We can't put it on her page without in-universe proof it was Amy who made the call. Mewiet 16:37, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Subheadings[[edit source]]

Are the sub-headings under Alternative Timelines supposed to be out of universe?--Skittles the hog - talk 15:43, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

They are all alternate timelines that Amy experienced within the DWU. Mewiet 16:33, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

...yes, but are the headings supposed to be out of universe?--Skittles the hog - talk 17:43, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Oh! I understand what you mean now. The first two work both in-universe and out-of-universe and I think they unintentionally set a tone for the others. I agree they should he altered to reflect the in-universe side. Mewiet 18:02, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd probably change them all. I don't know what to though.--Skittles the hog - talk 16:56, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Proposed image change.[[edit source]]

Currant image
Proposal #1


The currant image and the proposal are very similar except the proposed is brighter and facing the article, which is desired according to wiki policy, whereas the currant does not. Amy's hair also isn't as distracting due to being in mid air so to speak. Snivystorm 16:27, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Clones or children?[[edit source]]

Gonna put an end to this problem right now. Because this (are these supposed embryos children of Amy) is an area that needs explanation and/or could be disputed, it does not belong in the infobox. Put it in the body of the article if you must, but leave it out of the infoboxes. Shambala108 21:05, January 25, 2018 (UTC)

I think it’s made pretty clear in the story. River directly refers to the “clones” as her siblings throughout and she mentions that they were created through embryo cloning, meaning that they are genetically identical or at least very to River but also Amy and Rory’s biological children, born through Host/Surrogate mothers. It’s not like they directly cloned River, they cloned an embryo that eventually became River and made more children from it. SarahJaneFan
This is a big ethical discussion that many editors will dispute - it is best just to leave out. Perhaps the same should be done on River's page as well? Snivystorm 21:39, January 25, 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Shambala108 02:32, January 26, 2018 (UTC)
There are two quotes from The Lady in the Lake that are pertinent: "He was my...brother. I suppose." and "Or to be precise, he's like me. Madame Kovarian was a mad scientist and like any self respecting mad scientist she didn't miss the opportunity of an embryonic Time Lord in her lab. She took my DNA and grew seven others like me!" So I take from that brother and sister are more of symbolic titles/the easiest explanation as the individuals weren't derived from Amy's eggs in a 52nd century IVF situation, but from DNA stolen from River herself during gestation. In the two separate clone groups (the original seven: Tarn, Wadi, Rindle, Lake, Stream, and Creek) and the later group created after the destruction of Demons Run (Brooke, H-One, H-Two, O) they each grew up together and therefore referred to the others in their specific groups as sisters and/or brothers. The second group also grew up calling Kovarian their mother and in a power trippy, Mrs Wormwood or Miss Myers style (who artificially created Luke Smith and Sky Smith), Kovarian also says they are her children (and tries to insist to River that because she raised her, she is more worthy of the title of her mother than Amy). By the end of The Furies the second group turns on Kovarian for her cruelty and River has a couple of lines where she talks about how the Brooke/H-Two/O have certain traits that were passed down from Amy and Rory. Mewiet 04:50, January 26, 2018 (UTC)

Second Child Actress?[[edit source]]

Do we know who played Amelia in her brief appearance at the end of The Time of the Doctor? I’m 99% it wasn’t Caitlyn, based on the brief glimpse we got of her face. TheFatPanda 23:10, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

Who Else Thinks Amy Should've Been a Companion of Either the 10th or 12th Doctor?[[edit source]]

I think she should have been because all 3 of them were played by Scottish actors, and having a Scottish Doctor and Scottish companion might've been interesting. Sliderhostmimic 20:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

This isn't what a talkpage is for. A talkpage is to discuss the article in a wiki context. Hope this helps. :) TheFartyDoctor Talk 20:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)