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== So Many Presidents == | == So Many Presidents == | ||
Is there any evidence that this isn't the same president as in [[ | Is there any evidence that this isn't the same president as in [[Pandad IV|The Three Doctors]]? Not that I'm proposing combining the pages, but, if not, shouldn't the page reference that it may be the same president somewhere? [[User:Schreibenheimer|Schreibenheimer]] [[User talk:Schreibenheimer|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:27, January 15, 2020 (UTC) | ||
:Turn it around and ask if there's any evidence that he is. Also, remember that speculation is not allowed on pages. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:38, January 15, 2020 (UTC) | |||
::Coda for the future: turns out there ''was'' evidence that he was, hiding away in [[The Legacy of Gallifrey (short story)|an old DWM short story]], so as of today the pages have, in fact, been merged. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:50, June 17, 2020 (UTC) | |||
== The Time Lords and the Doomsday Weapon == | |||
Not sure which page to discuss this on as it affects several, but... in the first chapter of [[Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon (novelisation)|Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon]], there's nothing to state that the First, Second and Third Time Lords shown there are the same as the ones who presided over the Doctor's trial, and yet several pages - this one, [[Socra]] and [[Adelphi]] state that it says so explicitly. While the three Time Lords do say "we sent the Doctor to Earth," there's no reason that is a personal "we" and not simply "The High Council". Indeed, the only thing directly linking any of the ''Doomsday'' Time Lords to any others is that the "First Time Lord" is said to be the highest in the society (ie. the Lord President) so it's '''probably''' Pandad IV. -- [[User:Constonks|Constonks]] [[User talk:Constonks|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:56, July 30, 2020 (UTC) | |||
:: What you're missing is that this story treats the credit from ''War Games'' ("First Time Lord", "Second Time Lord" and "Third Time Lord") as actual hierarchical titles, not simply as descriptors. And ''[[The Legacy of Gallifrey (short story)|The Legacy of Gallifrey]]'' gives us a source for the make-with of the hierarchy of the top Time Lords not having changed in the interval between ''[[The War Games (TV story)|The War Games]]'' and ''[[The Three Doctors (TV story)|The Three Doctors]]'' (and the novelisation of that one also reiterating the President/First Time Lord as the very one who presided in ''The War Games''). If we had ''Doomsday Weapon'' alone perhaps we should remain agnostic about what the "we" mean, but in point of fact there ''is'' plentiful reason in valid sources for that to be the personal "we". <span style="color: #baa3d6;font-family:Comic Sans;">[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']]</span> <span style="color: #baa3d6;">[[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]]</span> 18:55, 8 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
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So Many Presidents[[edit source]]
Is there any evidence that this isn't the same president as in The Three Doctors? Not that I'm proposing combining the pages, but, if not, shouldn't the page reference that it may be the same president somewhere? Schreibenheimer ☎ 14:27, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Turn it around and ask if there's any evidence that he is. Also, remember that speculation is not allowed on pages. --DCLM ☎ 14:38, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Coda for the future: turns out there was evidence that he was, hiding away in an old DWM short story, so as of today the pages have, in fact, been merged. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 01:50, June 17, 2020 (UTC)
The Time Lords and the Doomsday Weapon[[edit source]]
Not sure which page to discuss this on as it affects several, but... in the first chapter of Doctor Who and the Doomsday Weapon, there's nothing to state that the First, Second and Third Time Lords shown there are the same as the ones who presided over the Doctor's trial, and yet several pages - this one, Socra and Adelphi state that it says so explicitly. While the three Time Lords do say "we sent the Doctor to Earth," there's no reason that is a personal "we" and not simply "The High Council". Indeed, the only thing directly linking any of the Doomsday Time Lords to any others is that the "First Time Lord" is said to be the highest in the society (ie. the Lord President) so it's probably Pandad IV. -- Constonks ☎ 17:56, July 30, 2020 (UTC)
- What you're missing is that this story treats the credit from War Games ("First Time Lord", "Second Time Lord" and "Third Time Lord") as actual hierarchical titles, not simply as descriptors. And The Legacy of Gallifrey gives us a source for the make-with of the hierarchy of the top Time Lords not having changed in the interval between The War Games and The Three Doctors (and the novelisation of that one also reiterating the President/First Time Lord as the very one who presided in The War Games). If we had Doomsday Weapon alone perhaps we should remain agnostic about what the "we" mean, but in point of fact there is plentiful reason in valid sources for that to be the personal "we". Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:55, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
