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I’m sure there IS an [[The Question|answer]] for this I’m just not aware of, but, just as a matter of [[curiosity]], why, exactly, do we refuse to consider authorial intent that this character was [[the Master]], but we accept other ‘writing around trademarks’ appearances like [[Kelsey Hooper]] in [[Faction Paradox]]. [[Special:Contributions/217.42.180.119|217.42.180.119]]<sup>[[User talk:217.42.180.119#top|talk to me]]</sup> 14:09, April 14, 2020 (UTC) | |||
:I'm no admin, but I think the way it works is this: say you've got an established ''Doctor Who'' concept "X", and a concept "Y" in another story, which doens't have the license to "X" but implies very hard that "Y" is a facet of "X". We ''don't'' accept the implication itself as valid — ''but'' if a third story, licensed to use both "X" and "Y", helpfully says that "X" and "Y" are the same thing, ''then'' we allow ourselves to spread the identification even to pages about stories not licensed to use "X" themselves. | |||
:So for example, just using ''Faction Paradox'' concepts as an example, "X" ([[The War King]]) and "Y" ([[The Master]]) have never been identified as one and the same in a story licensed to use both characters, so we don't consider them to be one and the same. On the other hand, ''[[Lungbarrow (novel)|Lungbarrow]]'' establishes that the [[Time Lord]] hierarchy ("X") can be collectively known as "the [[Great House]]s" ("Y"), so when ''Faction Paradox'' lawfully refers to the Great Houses and their homeworld, we know by process of implication that those are the Time Lords and Gallifrey. | |||
:If every a Big Finish story licensed to use [[the Master]] ''and'' Professor Stream takes the time to confirm that Stream was in fact the Master, ''then'' we shall be allowed to say Stream is the Master. But not before (except in BTS sections). --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:18, April 14, 2020 (UTC) | |||
Would it be against the rules, though, to add an in-universe section to the page highlighting how the Master is established to have a history with the Doctor, know hypnotism etc, and often use anagrammatical aliases? – [[User:NateBumber|n8]] ([[User talk:NateBumber|☎]]) 19:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
::: Probably not, within moderation (we don't want a repeat of the old [[Astrolabus]]/[[Auteur]] setup — but something like the ''current'' setup should probably be fine). [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC) | |||
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The DWM Bookazine on The Master states that Stream is indeed The Master. Should the page be modified to reflect this, or just be appended to the proper section over on The Master's page? Cousin Zagreus ☎ 16:09, April 1, 2015 (UTC)
Just wondering[[edit source]]
I’m sure there IS an answer for this I’m just not aware of, but, just as a matter of curiosity, why, exactly, do we refuse to consider authorial intent that this character was the Master, but we accept other ‘writing around trademarks’ appearances like Kelsey Hooper in Faction Paradox. 217.42.180.119talk to me 14:09, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm no admin, but I think the way it works is this: say you've got an established Doctor Who concept "X", and a concept "Y" in another story, which doens't have the license to "X" but implies very hard that "Y" is a facet of "X". We don't accept the implication itself as valid — but if a third story, licensed to use both "X" and "Y", helpfully says that "X" and "Y" are the same thing, then we allow ourselves to spread the identification even to pages about stories not licensed to use "X" themselves.
- So for example, just using Faction Paradox concepts as an example, "X" (The War King) and "Y" (The Master) have never been identified as one and the same in a story licensed to use both characters, so we don't consider them to be one and the same. On the other hand, Lungbarrow establishes that the Time Lord hierarchy ("X") can be collectively known as "the Great Houses" ("Y"), so when Faction Paradox lawfully refers to the Great Houses and their homeworld, we know by process of implication that those are the Time Lords and Gallifrey.
- If every a Big Finish story licensed to use the Master and Professor Stream takes the time to confirm that Stream was in fact the Master, then we shall be allowed to say Stream is the Master. But not before (except in BTS sections). --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:18, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
Would it be against the rules, though, to add an in-universe section to the page highlighting how the Master is established to have a history with the Doctor, know hypnotism etc, and often use anagrammatical aliases? – n8 (☎) 19:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Probably not, within moderation (we don't want a repeat of the old Astrolabus/Auteur setup — but something like the current setup should probably be fine). Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
