Talk:Cyberon is Back!! (webcast)

Delete/Validity

This is a trailer, not a narrative. It's different then Shadows and that's why I put the delete tag. Never Forget The Day The 456 Arrived ☎ 10:57, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

At worst that means this should be invalid, like Ace Returns! (webcast), but not necessarily deleted. That being said, this page was created as valid by an admin, User:OncomingStorm12th, so I suggest you get your facts right. This has emphatically not been termed a trailer by Arcbeatle, who have instead dubbed it an "overture" in the YouTube description. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 11:00, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

I completely concur Scrooge MacDuck, except I think that this should never be invalid, due to the precedent set by the Tardisode series. Epsilon the Eternal ☎ 11:03, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, brevity in itself is not really reason for invalidity. On top of the great Tardisodes precedent brought by User:Scrooge MacDuck, we have Vrs a (literally) one-sentence story, which has also been created as valid from the beginning. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 17:31, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

"Narrative" just means if things happen with sort of the loosest sense of continuity following them. (Fictional reference works are non-narrative in that things aren't happening, they're describing things that ostensibly already happened.) In this trailer/webcast are things happening? Najawin ☎ 18:25, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

A Cyberon appears in a dark, wet alley, it turns, and it attacks something off screen.

No less narrative than the Tardisodes, Vrs, Untitled, etc. Epsilon the Eternal ☎ 18:46, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

Exactly. (Clarification to my prior comment, a fictional reference work is perhaps better understood as describing "the furniture of the world" than just events that already happened.) Najawin ☎ 19:07, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

If I may play devil's advocate then, why is this valid but say Genetics of the Daleks, which does pretty much the exact same thing as this, not valid? StevieGLiverpool ☎ 23:24, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Big Finish explicitly calls it a Promo. Najawin ☎ 23:34, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Surely that shouldn't bypass Tardis:Valid sources Rule 1: Only stories count, right? Are there not instances where sources aren't valid simply because they aren't a narrative? As such this also isn't a story, it's just a Cyberon appearing. StevieGLiverpool ☎ 01:11, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Whether or not this particular webcast is narrative is a distinct issue from what is different between this issue and Genetics of the Daleks (webcast). The latter is explicitly called a Promo, and thus runs afoul of our rules against trailers. This is not, so it succeeds or fails based on rule 1 irrespective of the comparison to the other webcast. Why don't we think the arguments on this talk page are successful? Najawin ☎ 01:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@User:StevieGLiverpool — "narrative" doesn't mean "three-act structure", it just means "depicting in-universe events". Cyberon is Back! is narrative: you can summarise things that happen in it. It's night, then a weirdly hollow Cyberon teleports in, then it slowly gets up from its crouching stance. Taking a step back, The Blue Scream of Death is also very conspicuously a sequel to its events. This isn't a random moving image of a Cyberon, this is a specific incident with a place in the overall lore. And yes, Genetics of the Daleks is narrative too. As User:Najawin explained, the issue is that it's a commercial, and that commercials are deemed to break Rule 4 regardless of whether they pass Rule 1. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 09:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough then. I'm convinced it's good enough to keep validity status then!StevieGLiverpool ☎ 11:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC)