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Just a thought, Bracewell (brillaint scientist with Dalek connections) putting on that shiny black leather glove at the end kind of got me thinking of Davros. Any connection? Redfivestandingby

Apologies for not signing: first time user. I too would be disappointed with a sleeper agent dalek android story; however, it makes a lot more sense to me than the falling through time/ universal reset theories postulated thus far. So what if she's in the next season... have you considered this may be a late reveal? ;-)87.112.255.36 20:42, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I realise "revalation" isn't spelt right :P

Did anyone else have one? SM said it'd be so mind blowing you'd need to watch the episode again, but I got nothing... Cannon881 18:38, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I got nothing either -- Michael Downey 18:39, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I re-watched the episode from 25 min to 35 min and the only thing that standed out was when the Daleks said that the planet would 'Shatter' when the bomb in bracewell detonated. I find that as an odd word to use for that quite of sentence and it kind of goes with the whole 'Time being weird arc' over the series and with the Cracks. So why would the planet 'Shatter' and not for example just be blown up. -- Michael Downey 19:43, April 17, 2010 (UTC).

Amy is a dalek created android, a la Harrison Ford's character in 'Blade Runner': she has memories implated by the Daleks, but not of the Daleks themselves, as this may cause her to alert the Doctor. That was my revelation, anyway!

Please sign your posts, and I don't think Amy is an android because she has been confirmed to be in Series 6 and if she is an android well then I'll be disappointed because that is a poor plot in my opinion. -- Michael Downey 20:33, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we need to see some more episodes, before we understand?Excalibur-117 20:40, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

When amy begins to talk to the proffessor who is about to explode, she calls him 'Pastly' and not his name. THis is half an hour in, and if we rewatch it, we may find out that a person called pastly is who the proffessor's memories are from. tommy1571 21:46 , April 17, 2010 (UTC)

No she was calling him paisley and she had been calling him this since the start of the episode. What this means I'm not sure but I think it's just a silly nickname or a scottish thing because they are both scottish. -- Michael Downey 20:56, April 17, 2010 (UTC).

It's a town in scotland, which is where he's meant to be from. Incidently, David Tennant hails from Paisley. Excalibur-117 21:00, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I think the Doctor is aware that Amy is a sleeper android created by the daleks and is using their travels through time to humanise her, in much the same way that they humanised the proffessor. I believe that, at some point, Amy will (knowingly or not) betray the doctor to the daleks.RUMyMommy? 21:15, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

First they thought she was alien, now they think she's an android. How long till people start thinking she's the Rani? There are cracks in the skin of the universe, a very potential cause of timeline disruption, who's to say her forgetting isn't part of the cracks theory? Excalibur-117 21:20, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Totally agree with Excalibur, I think with time being disrupted will make her forget the Daleks but like I said before if it does turn out tnat Amy is an android made by the Daleks then I will be upset because that is a poor plot. -- Michael Downey 21:23, April 17, 2010 (UTC).

While I agree android Amy would be a poor plot point, the 'cracks in the universe reset' theory has been done to death during the RTD era: as the year that never was from Last of the Time Lords, as RTD using the Time War as a catch all for continuity holes and as the use of the reality bomb; it's all a bit Star trek XI, isn't it?!RUMyMommy? 21:33, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for the anon post, just thought I'd throw my guess in.

At the start of the episode, the crack is nowhere to be seen on the wall. At the end of the episode - it clearly is. I assumed that was the 'revelation'. - Unsigned idiot

Why does Amy being in the next season prove she's not a Dalek android, or anything else? The Doctor has traveled in the past with an android programmed by bad guys, Kamelion, and with someone suspected (correctly) to be an agent of someone bad, Turlough. In SJA, Mr Smith was a sleeper agent, and yet he's still Sarah Jane's computer.

That being said, they just did the thing with redeeming the bad guys' android sleeper with Robot Professor in this episode, so it would be a pretty dull surprise if the Amy story were the exact same story. More likely, Amy doesn't remember the Daleks because in her home timeline, Journey's End never happened, which ties in somehow to Rory's badge having the wrong decade, the voting booth giving two different ages for her, and of course the cracks. Yeah, it's been done before, but Moffat has talked about wanting Doctor Who to actually deal with time travel in a way that it rarely got a chance to in the RTD era, and I think this is what he means. --99.37.227.199 09:27, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

I've just had a thought: lots of people have noticed that the Crack only appeared at the end, once the Doctor left for good;Could HE be the cause of the cracks?Bit outlandish I know Excalibur-117 12:16, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

People have already been saying Amy is the Rani, some people said she is the Doctor's daughter, some people said she is River Song's mother, some said she is Donna's daughter, some people are saying she is Dalek-made android. To be honest, I have lost my faith in Who-theorising. Because there is theorising, and then there is stupidity, such as Amy being an android, of the mother of River Song, or the Doctor's daughter. Heck, some people think her house is a Tardis because the Tardis landed there and it had blue walls. Stupid, or what?

But I do agree with the timeline reset. The cracks in time and space could shatter any events in the timeline, maybe even truly go back and change their history. Anything. But as for the cracks, it was said that a silent menace is following the Doctor and Amy, hinting that the cracks are caused by whatever it following them. Delton Menace 15:00, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Rewatching the episode, I still don't get what the big reveal is. The biggest surprises I could find are:

• Amy doesn't know who the Daleks are. But we find that out right at the start.
• Bracewell is an android. We find that out way too early (13 minutes in), and it doesn't really change any of the earlier scenes on rewatching. (Yeah, before I thought, like the Doctor, that he was a human dupe just pretending the ideas teemed from his head instead of an android who really believed it, but so what?)
• The "testimony accepted" bit. It's still explained too early (17 minutes). And, while it does make it obvious what's going on during the scene 13 minutes in, and why the Daleks were subservient, there's no compelling reason to rewatch those early scenes. You knew the Daleks' subservience was part of some devious plan if you've ever seen the show before.
• Bracewell is a bomb. It certainly happens at the right time, but it changes nothing about the Daleks' actions in the early scenes, or anything else.

By the way, as far as I can tell, "phase 2" of the Daleks' plan is to stand in a semicircle around the Progenitor as if they're watching TV. That's the only thing they do between announcing "phase 2" and later announcing the "final phase." The woman that Bracewell fancies is Dorobella, which means "beautiful pain," which is nicely fitting. Also, I noticed that Amy seemed to be studying the barrage balloons carefully for some reason--almost as if she were trying to see if Rose was hanging from one. :)) --99.37.227.199 01:33, April 19, 2010 (UTC)