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| ==Jigsaw Puzzle Spoilers==
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| If you complete the "Vampires of Venice" Jigsaw on the official DW website, the quote is:<br />
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| Rory: You owe Casanova a Chicken?
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| Doctor: Long Story, we had a Bet.
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| ==Filming Location==
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| The scenes with the Doctor and the vampire girls in the preview clips were filmed in the girls' dungeon bathroom in St. Donats Castle in the Vale of Glamorgan. I went to the school housed in the castle so could recognise the location. It was also confirmed on the official Facebook page. (Yes, I know that it is a poor source...) - Could someone who can edit the page add this please..? [[User:Stephen1133|Stephen1133]] 10:25, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| The part in the bedroom looked like it as filmed in Castell Coch north of Cardiff.
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| Also it's Caerphilly Castle, not Caephilly
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| ==Correct title?==
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| What's the correct title? I'm seeing "Vampires ''of'' Venice" being used as well.[[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 18:41, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| : I think I've only seen Vampires of Venice used. Not that I paid a lot of attention... [[User:TheOmnius|TheOmnius]] 01:59, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::According to Matt Smith on ''The Jonathan Ross Show'', it's ''Vampires in Venice''. That said, earlier in the week, The Doctor Who News Page's source, and atm I forget who they were, said it was one of those titles that ''could'' change by the time of broadcast. We'll find out for sure in seven weeks though. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 04:40, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::We can't go with statements made by an actor during an interview. Otherwise Silence in the Library would have been listed as River's Run. BBC publicity materials say Of so we use Of. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:06, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Oh I know. I'm not suggesting we should use MS on JR as our source. Merely noting what had been said publicly by a production team member. As I've said many times before, it'd be better, prolly, if we didn't fool with these pages at all until actual date of first broadcast. That'll never happen, but, honestly, it'd save us a lot of work for precisely this sort of reason. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 23:25, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::The BBC Press Office has confirmed the title as The Vampires of Venice, with "The" as well. So that settles that. We should keep an eye open for a possible reference down the line (DWM, DVD release) that Vampires in Venice was a working title. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 22:27, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Rory rumor link==
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| the reference where it says rory is a companion brings up a pr0n advert<br />
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| You've got a pop-up there. Still works for me. It's out there plenty of times though. Try http://community.livejournal.com/doctorwho/5641033.html, or just google it.[[Special:Contributions/86.134.188.188|86.134.188.188]] 12:31, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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| * I have removed the link anyway, for two reasons. 1: it's an image host that may not keep the image for the long term; and 2: There is no source given. All we see is a close-up photograph of a script page. How do we know that comes from an actual script? What's the origin of the image? Also, it's a line of dialogue taken out of context. I've left the rumour itself in for now, but we need a better source like DWM, or one of the actors or something. A random image with no pedigree given just doesn't cut it. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 22:30, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| ** And as the BBC Press Office official synopsis for the episode now establishes that Rory appears, we don't need this dubious link anymore, anyhow. I killed the rumour item, and I see someone also used the image link as an attempt at sourcing the infobox. It's gone now, too. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:54, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Digital Spy Spoilers==
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| [http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/s7/doctor-who/tubetalk/a217343/ten-teasers-about-the-vampires-of-venice.html [1]]
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| 1. Rory is halfway through his stag do when The Doctor arrives to collect him. And it's quite an entrance.
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| 2. On entering the TARDIS, Rory doesn't really say what The Doctor wants him to.
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| 3. The First Doctor makes an appearance.
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| 4. The 'vampires' like Amy. Who can blame them? She's delicious!
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| 5. "Where are you from? Did you **** ******* the *****?"
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| 6. Ever wanted to see The Doctor get electrocuted? Luck's in.
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| 7. "Some tiny. Some were as big as the sky."
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| 8. What's 10,000 in number and waiting in the water?
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| 9. Amy enjoys a massive snog with either Rory or The Doctor. Right in front of the other.
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| 10. "All I can **** is... *******."
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| What says you? [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 19:58, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
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| no 9 i don't want it to be the doctor[[User:Liamhenney|Liamhenney]] 20:11, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
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| number 5... Where are you from? did you fall through the crack [[User:Liamhenney|Liamhenney]] 20:14, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
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| number 10- "All I can 'hear' is... 'silence'."[[User:Burnup15|Burnup15]] 16:55, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
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| No 3. No? Really? As if the clip didn't already show that!
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| Definetely a great entrance! lol. [[User:Liamhenney|Liamhenney]] 18:32, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| 1 was hilarious. End of statement.<br />
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| 2 made me laugh. "...I like it when people say 'it's bigger on the inside...'"<br />
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| 3. Good job.<br />
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| 4. Of course they do!<br />
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| 5. Did you come through the chasm?<br />
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| 6. The door.<br />
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| 7. The Cracks.<br />
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| 8. The Saturnynian sons.<br />
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| 9. With Rory, but NOT in front of the Doctor. She does kiss him in front of the Doctor, but it's definitely not a massive snog...<br />
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| 10. All I can hear is...silence. --> Rory.<br />
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| Liamhenney, you were REALLY close on 5. Burnup15, amazing job for 10! [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 03:06, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| On #9, in the DW Confidential, it is a *massive* snog. Arthur and Karen "forgot" to stop, or so they say. Though I'm certain the editors added some extra lipsmacking sound effects. [[User:Dwfan101|Dwfan101]] 16:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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| I agree that the snog after Amy killed Francesco is '''massive''' but not the kiss infront of The Doctor! That one was barely a peck. [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 16:50, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Library Card ==
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| Did anyone who watched it in HD manage to make out what his name was on the library card? [[User:Mc hammark|Mc hammark]] 21:06, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| It says Dr W. somthing beginning with an S but the light was shining on it...
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| : Knowing the Doctor, it's probably 'Smith' [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 10:10, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :: It's Dr J. Smith and the address is 76 Totter's Lane which is the junkyard from the Unearthly Child. The J might look a bit like a W due to have some speck on the left left of it but there's a couple of those elsewhere on the card, and the 'W shape' doesn't fit the typeface used. It's J. I have a screencap from the 720 version if proof is needed. The 1080 version would be even clearer [[User:Carnivius Prime|Carnivius Prime]] 11:54, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :: I uploaded a screenshot from the 1280x800 version to the main page. [[User:Hack59|Hack59]] 21:06, May 9, 2010 (UTC) The card clearly says:
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| No. 87389 Expires Nov.
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| Name Dr. J. Smith
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| Address 76 Totter's Lane
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| Shoreditch
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| London, ??? 5EG
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| SHOREDITCH LIBRARY
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| Present this card each time you bor[row]
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| You are responsible for books bor[rowed]
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| Identification Card Not Trans[ferable]
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| ==Zoom in to Keyhole==
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| [[File:Keyhole.jpg|thumb|Keyhole rotated left looks like crack]]
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| What was the meaning of that? [[User:Liamhenney|Liamhenney]] 21:30, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| : The way I took it was that it was supposed to be similar in shape to the crack: [[User:Shrodes|shrodes]] 03:49, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :: Most tenuous link ever! :-) Doesn't every keyhole look a little bit like that? And the keyhole has always been there, too. Anyway, that must have been the most terrible, thrown-together episode ever. [[User:Hack59|Hack59]] 13:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Definitely not. That's the most ridiculous link ever. [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 14:23, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::There isn't any meaning. It's a Yale Type keyhole, so every models look a bit like the same. [[User:Sam122|Sam122]] 16:21, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::: It was definitely nothing to think about. On the other side of the keyhole, there were the end credits. Therefore, it was a simple outro. [[Special:Contributions/99.141.86.181|99.141.86.181]] 08:08, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::: I agree with Shrodes. Its simily a production thing, a dircting technique. The camera rotated to show the keyhole like a crack. Otherwise they would have just gone through the keyhole without a rotation of the camera. Its not meant to be a crack, but its clearly meant to be a reminder for the viewer, an ominous way to end the show after the "all I hear is silence" line.
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| ==Unkindness?==
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| Why did the doctor not offer them a new planet like he has done previously? --[[User:The10thdoctor|The10thdoctor]] 21:35, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| I think he normally would have done, but i think when he told Rosanna 'You didn't remember Isabellas name', that was reason enough. [[User:Bluesilver|Bluesilver]] 09:38, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| Would it have made a difference? They had no females of the species to continue reproducing, and would almost certainly try to convert people from some other helpless planet had he given them one [[User:Shrodes|shrodes]] 11:46, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| I think that perhaps he would have, assuming that Rosanna hadn't killed herself...He seemed genuinely upset when she fed herself to her children [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 14:02, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Amy-Rory kissing music? ==
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| The piano music that plays when Rory and Amy kiss, just after she saves him, does that not sound a lot like Claire Bennet's theme from the tv show Heroes? Anyone else pick that up? [[User:Mc hammark|Mc hammark]] 21:43, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==The Date==
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| It says on the main page that the Doctor picks Rory up on the 26th, however, why would he have his stag do on the day of his wedding, and the Doctor is avoiding the 26th at all costs at the moment isn't he? Most likely the Doctor just went back a few hours to pick him up. It's probably just an editing error though. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 06:52, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| Actually the Doctor picks Rory up on the 25th, because at the beggining of the episode, when Rory leaves a message on Amy's phone, he says : 'I haven't told you for seven hours that I love you [...] and even if we weren't getting married tomorrow, I'd ask you to mary me anyway'. [[User:Sam122|Sam122]] 16:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==The Crack==
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| Can someone add in there is another crack earlier in the episode, (and given the importance of the date of the wedding day).... in Amy's bedroom wall (again!) in the panning shot from the answerphone to the wedding dress but above it in the wall at 2.10 mins, thanks [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:44, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| That's not a crack it's the top of the wardrobe
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| : Sign your posts please. And compare the wardrobe at the end of FaS, looks to me it has a flat top at 38.41 and 39.59. [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 09:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| :: Both of those times the top of the wardrobe is out of shot or at a funny angle, and I don't believe it is flat. In any case, the top of the wardrobe isn't really the shape of the crack anyway [[User:Shrodes|shrodes]] 11:50, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| == The Chickens ==
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| I don't know if this is just me over-speculating, but does anyone know the siginificance of the camera focusing on chickens throughout this episode, particularly towards the end? Then of course there's the throw-away line about the Doctor owing Casanova a chicken (a line I initially thought might be an in-joke between Smith and Tennant...) [[Special:Contributions/94.5.58.74|94.5.58.74]] 10:01, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| == 'Refugees' Story Arc ==
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| Throwing this theory out there, but thought I should point out that this episode introduced the arc of Refugees- a possible hint to Amy's true nature? (I still firmly believe Amy's not who she says (or thinks) she is- based off of another theory which I shall post below)
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| Eleventh Hour had Prisoner Zero- a refugee in the sense of escaping one place to live in another<br />
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| Daleks had the Daleks as refugees, waiting for the Doctor to show up to restart their race<br />
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| The star whale was not a refugee- but the humans were<br />
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| The weeping angel that was on the Byzantium was by itself, possibly as a refugee<br />
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| The 'vampires' outright stated they were refugees [[Special:Contributions/94.5.58.74|94.5.58.74]] 10:07, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Sorry, but I don't really think that all of those fit quite right. Besides, you could say that so many other episodes are part of that arc. [[Special:Contributions/99.141.86.181|99.141.86.181]] 08:16, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| == 'Deception' Story Arc ==
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| I believe Amy Pond is not who she says or thinks she is- based off of her changeable personality, the 'Pond with no Ducks', the fact she acclimatised so well to time travel compared to every other companion, and how in times of danger she seems more concerned with getting one over on the Doctor. Add to that the fact that she aimed that kick very well in this episode- like she may have some hidden knowledge about how the aliens work, because everyone knows Vampires wouldnt be affected by a kick and generally it would make things a ton worse for her... Finally, deception has been a key theme so far- allow me to explain:
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| Prisoner Zero could shapechange<br />
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| The space whale 'appeared' to be a starship<br />
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| The Daleks acted like allies to provoke the Doctor<br />
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| The Angels appeared to be ordinary statues, even to the Doctor<br />
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| 'What could be so bad that they want us to think they're vampires?'
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| [[Special:Contributions/94.5.58.74|94.5.58.74]] 10:14, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| : I did think that kick was a bit too well placed, but had it down as a spot of deux ex machina. We'll see. [[User:Shrodes|shrodes]] 11:53, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| : There is a mystery surrounding her but I don't think she's being deceptive. The kick I took as either luck, or her just being a bit clever (like she has already been shown to be). I think she acclimatised to time travel well just because its boring for every companion to go through it all the time. [[User:Alienatedduck|Alienatedduck]] 13:37, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| : I think the kick was just plain lucky. Alpha 111
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| : ....why is there no plot written yet? [[User:Lu-igi board|Lu-igi board]]
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| : Ye, why?[[Special:Contributions/89.139.20.17|89.139.20.17]] 16:42, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| Because there hasn't been a substantial plot written for this episode yet. The only one that was posted was copied from Wikipedia, which is not allowed. Instead of asking, why not work on writing one yourselves? [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 16:52, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| == PLOT ==
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| PLEASE refrain from copy and pasting the plot from Wikipedia. Thank you. [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 17:11, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| == The 10,000 Children ==
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| Okay the way I understood the episode is that on their travels to earth all the female Saturnynians died, leaving 10,000 all-male Saturnynians. The mother, and one of her sons went onto land (using disguises) to turn human females in to female Saturnynians. At the end of the episode, all the new female Saturnynians are dead, the son is dead, and the mother jumped into the pool as was eaten by the 10,000 children. But what happened to the 10,000 Saturnynians in the pool? I don't remember them being killed? And while I know they cant bread, 10,000 Saturnynians are still 10,000 Saturnynians, and surly (even if they are infants) there will still grow up to be a threat? Or worse be able to continue their mother's plan? - Looq 01:37 GMT - 10th May 2010
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| The way I saw it was that the 10,000 Saturnynians did not have perception filters, and would not be able to look human, therefore would be unable to go onto land without arousing suspicion. I also thought that Rosanna was the most intelligent of the group, as the mother, and they probably have no idea that Rosanna was the one they ate, so they're just waiting for their "brides." They probably will die out in time. It's just another piece of thread left untied at the end of an episode. [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 00:45, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| What I don't get is how all the females were dead. I realise that each female would probably spawn clutches of eggs so they could probably use fewer females to repopulate the species, but even then I don't see how the entire "more than enough" for 10000 males could have comprised the entire sum of females sent to kill the Doctor and that were resultantly blown up with the building. - Nobody 11:00 GMT - 10th May 2010
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| : I agree. Given that the vampire girls were the most prized assets, it seems strangely careless for their Mother to send them in as frontline fighters. Another thing: Why can't she just make more females? The loss of a few shouldn't be such a problem, unless there was some extreme time constraint that didn't get mentioned. [[User:Hack59|Hack59]] 11:31, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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