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| ==Synopsis==
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| Where is it from? [[User:DuduDoctor|DuduDoctor]] 18:26, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| --I agree, ive had to change this twice now. While the title is confirmed i havent seen anyplot details. Should we just keep changing it ?
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| :Please remember to sign all posts with <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. '''[http://doctor-who-collectors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Tardis1963 <span style="background:#0E234E; color:white">Tardis1963</span>]''' 22:42, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Redhead remark ==
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| The Dreamlord says 'The Doctor loves a Redhead' to Amy Pond referencing the Master in The End of Time saying 'Oh, he love's playing with Earth girls' in a reference to Donna Noble and Sarah Jane Smith.
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| == Dream Lord or Nightmare Man ? ==
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| SJA series 4 has a Nightmare Man story. Could this be a coincidence or the same adversary as the rumoured Dream Lord in this episode? [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 08:40, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| In the next time trailer, the Dream Lord says something like 'you're the time lord, let's call me the dream lord' which implies that is not who / what he really is [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:34, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| It turns out that the 'Dream Lord' is actually the Doctor. [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 19:08, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Due to the fact that Matt Smith will be in SJA series 4, it's possible Dream Lord could re-emerge as the 'Nightmare Man'. Don't see how as of yet though. [[User:Adam 148|Adam 148]] 20:44, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Pregnant?==
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| Is Amy pregnant with the Doctor's child?[[Special:Contributions/71.161.234.46|71.161.234.46]] 07:20, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| All we know is that Amy is '''shown''' to be pregnant. Considering the presumptive villian in this episode is a man called the Dream Lord, we can't take anything at face value, can we? We don't know if Amy is pregnant with Rory or The Doctor's child. We'll just have to wait and see (or wait for spoilers, as River would say!) [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 16:23, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| The trailer implies that the "future" Amy is just a dream. As she is seen with Rory, the assumption is that its his child (they've been married for 5 years). [[User:Jedman67|Jedman67]] 06:21, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| I agree. Remember I posted that a week ago. Actually, after I posted that, I rememebred that Pyria (gotta check her name) cursed the Time Lords with sterility, which is why they use the looms. Anyway, it could all be a dream, don't forget! [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 14:25, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| Unless it was mentioned onscreen, you can't take it at face value. Remember that Hartnell's granddaughter was with him in the TARDIS; the only mention of looms is in some of the novels - which have been known to take some liberties with canon. [[User:Jedman67|Jedman67]] 05:20, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Also in the next time trailer, Amy is pregnant in the village but not in the Tardis. Not so clear if Rory only has the ponytail in the village [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:31, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==The Big Bang==
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| If it is five years into Amy's future, what happened about the big bang that happened five years ago? Did the Doctor stop it or something like that? [[User:Who7|Who7]] 11:57, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| Perhaps Amy's future is just a dream, and her, the Doctor and Rory may are sleeping in the TARDIS a few hours after the end of "Vampire of Venice" as seen in the trailer. That could explain why Amy is not pregnant in the TARDIS and her 'heartbreaking choice' might be to choose between her little family dream, or the reality...we'll see... [[User:Sam122|Sam122]] 15:37, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Sacrifice==
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| As seen in the promotional picture for this episode, there is a car right behind the Doctor and Amy, and Amy look worried. Do you think the Doctor and Amy sacrifice their lives so they wake up in the strange dream? [[User:Who7|Who7]] 12:02, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| It seems that there is no drivers in the car, so I don't think that the Doctor and Amy will let themselves get crushed.. [[User:Sam122|Sam122]] 21:25, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| The way it's been edited, seems as though the Doctor is seen driving the same vehicle over a bridge in the trailer [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:40, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| I think the sacrifice is that, if the Leadworth family dream ends, Amy's baby will never be born. [[User:MidnightCat|MidnightCat]] 15:53, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| She didn't seem all that bothered about it. Maybe it was that she was just convinced it wasn't real anyways [[User:Carnivius Prime|Carnivius Prime]] 18:39, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==My Theory==
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| The is two worlds: The TARDIS and the village.
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| Only one is real.
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| The other is a dream.
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| Amy has to kill herself in the dream so she can wake up in reality.
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| If she chooses the wrong one shes die.[[User:RPSMan|RPSMan]] 15:10, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| This is going to be like [[Pyramids of Mars]] where the Doctor had to choose between pressing one switch or the other - if he makes a mistake Sarah will die. He could ask the lying Robot or the truthful Robot one question - so he asked one of them "What would the other say?" - which guaranteed a lying response and he picked the correct switch. I think here Doctor & Co will have to make a choice based on combining reality and fantasy together - and then the choice will be clear. [[User:Idji|Idji]] 11:29, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Digital Spy / SFX Spoilers==
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| [http://www.sfx.co.uk/2010/05/13/doctor-who-amy%E2%80%99s-choice-spoiler-free-preview/ 1]
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| 1 It’s a very clever (cleverer than you might think at first) and unusual script, slightly let down by some pedestrian direction that doesn’t always achieve quite the right tone for what could be a much darker, creepier tale…
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| 2 The Doctor wears the kind of jumper you hope your nan won’t buy you for Christmas
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| 3 There are no plot holes
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| 4 There’s an interesting use of a hover mower
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| 5 You’re probably tired of hearing this every week, but it’s Matt Smith’s best performance yet. He really seems to thrive in quirky episodes
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| 6 You get a good chance to study the new TARDIS set
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| 7 There‘s a great “we’ve second guessed you” moment with the Doctor waving his hand
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| 8 There may be complaints that it encourages spitting
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| 9 Amy’s second false alarm amusingly sends up the Doctor’s arrogance
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| 10 Once again it’s packed with quotable one-liners, especially the sentence that begins, “If we’re going to die, let’s die looking like…” (which could also spark a whole new trend in cosplaying)
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| 11 The Doctor opens a black box that has some information written on it which will have fans hitting the freeze frame
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| 12 Toby Jones has about a zillion costume changes (and he’s great)
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| What says you? [[User:Musedae|Musedae]] 18:01, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| 1. Agreed, very clever and very unusual.
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| 2. Ha, Mrs Poggit's jumper for her grandson. Eugh.
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| 3. We'll be the judge of that.
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| 4. As a weapon by one of the old people.
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| 5. I think he was great, not his best, there was less humour, but great nonetheless.
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| 6. Yup, quite a bit of close ups on it.
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| 7. Can't think of that bit... yet...
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| 8. I can see why.
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| 9. Love how she does that.
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| 10. "Ask me what happens if you die in reality." "What happens?" "You die stupid, that's why it's called reality."
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| 11. Did I miss it? I can't recall it.
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| 12. Yup, the Tardis version, doctor version, oap version, butcher.
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| [[User:Mc hammark|Mc hammark]] 20:30, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| <p style="text-align:center">Regarding no. 11: (SPOILERS!)</p>
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| <p style="text-align:center">TARDIS</p>
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| <p style="text-align:center">TIME AND RELATIVE DIMENSION IN SPACE</p>
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| <p style="text-align:center">BUILD SITE: GALLIFREY BLACKHOLE SHIPYARD</p>
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| <p style="text-align:center">TYPE 40 BUILD DATE: 1963</p>
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| <p style="text-align:center">AUTHORISED FOR USE BY QUALIFIED TIME LORDS ONLY</p>
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| <p style="text-align:center">BY THE SHADOW PROCLAMATION</p>
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| <p style="text-align:center">*Something that's too small for me to read*</p>
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| <p style="text-align:center">[[User:Throan Loremaker|Throan Loremaker]] 22:42, May 15, 2010 (UTC)</p>
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| ==2016==
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| The episode is actually set in 2016 becuse Amy appeers in season 32 in 2011[[Special:Contributions/85.250.46.91|85.250.46.91]] 17:59, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| It could be in 2017 or above because Any might stay on doctor who for more than 2 seasons. [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 19:06, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| The time when Amy and the Doctor parted ways in the "Upper Leadworth" world is all part of a dream with implanted memories, so has been made up essentially, it doesn't need to be accurate to the seasons that Karen is doing. [[User:TomJ|TomJ]] 23:00, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Considering the whole thing was a dream while still in the TARDIS, ''none'' of it took place in 2015/16/17. [[User:DigiFluid|DigiFluid]] 06:36, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Notices==
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| Has anyone noticed that there are birds twittering (continuity) and at the end instead of the doctor's reflections there is the his dream lord dark side (he's still dreaming)? Dwfan100
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| == Entire episode inside the TARDIS? ==
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| Now, can we say that this entire episode took place inside the TARDIS? Although there were scenes filmed in different places, Amy, the Doctor and Rory weren't even there, they never left the TARDIS. So can we say that this episode took place entirely within the TARDIS? [[User:Mc hammark|Mc hammark]] 20:38, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| Hadn't thought about that til you pointed it out but yeah I guess you're right. [[User:Carnivius Prime|Carnivius Prime]] 20:49, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Crack ==
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| I didnt see one in this episode, anyone else see one? [[Special:Contributions/83.104.138.141|83.104.138.141]] 03:13, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| youre right, i dont think there is one - was there one in venice? [[User:Jedman67|Jedman67]] 05:23, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| There was one in venice but i didn't see one the episode. [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 06:48, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| The only "real" place in the episode was the TARDIS. There couldn't be a crack there or in the dreams. [[User:Grimmreapervi|Grimmreapervi]] 10:05, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| Why is there a "Possible Crack" Picture? They can't dream of Cracks, can they? And remove the Weeping Angel Recording Crack Please, it was a two-parter, counting as one episode, with one crack. -Tom
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| @Tom I Have been removing both of them but the users who added them keep re-inserting them! [[User:Liamhenney|Liamhenney]] 18:53, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==How very zen...==
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| The doctor says 'there's only one person in the universe who hates me that much' to the Dream Lord. Considering the revelation that the Dream Lord is the Doctor, its painfully obvious he hasn't got over the time war, and still loathes himself. James [[Special:Contributions/203.100.217.154|203.100.217.154]] 06:04, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| : If the Dream Lord was formed around the Doctor's darker impulses and, yes, self-loathing that has been building from the Time War and later events (the arrogance of the Time Lord Victorious in "The Waters of Mars" for example), could he not also be compared to the Valeyard? If so, then that would add quite a bit of depth to the latter character that his original writers never envisioned. [[User:Eregor|Eregor]] 18:58, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Incorrect alien name==
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| Can someone please amend Plot section as it incorrectly mentions the Ha'rik which are actually not mentioned in the episode, the Doctor identifies the aliens as Ecnodeen. Was this section all just copied from the wikipedia article, which I didn't think was allowed ? [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 08:44, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| I have changed the plot so it is Ecnodeen not Ha'rik. [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 08:51, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Amy and the Doctor's 'suicide' ==
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| When Amy crashes the van (so she can be with Rory again) wouldn't the Doctor simply regenerate? The Dream Lord says "If you ''die'' in the dream..." and regeneration isn't 100% dying. Therefore, the Doctor would have to be killed over and over again until he had reached his last incarnation and then die one more time to wake up in the TARDIS again. --[[User:CGW|CGW]] 10:03, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Technically regeneration is like dying. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆
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| :As I understand it, when Time Lords regenerate, they ''are'' dying, same as anyone else, except that the regeneration brings them back. But as we saw with The Master, in series 3, they ''can'' suppress the regeneration, and choose not to regenerate (although, of course, The Master then came back anyway, but that's a different subject entirely, and it's still not at all clear how that worked). Having seen how certain Amy was about dying in that dream (and having possibly already worked out that both worlds were dreams - since he'd already worked out who the Dream Lord was, and that was what he says gave away that both were dreams), it's not that unlikely that he'd suppress his regeneration. [[Special:Contributions/94.172.148.89|94.172.148.89]] 11:21, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Why would anyone care about regeneration ? It was a DREAM, to get out of which they had to die (which is a real fact, btw, you can't dream of being dead, therefore, if you're dreaming of your own death, you wake up at the moment you die).
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| :It was just some sort of switch, nothing more, nothing less....[[User:Málåsgløbdük|Málåsgløbdük]] 16:37, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == References ==
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| Hopefully I did it the right way (never created a new section before).
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| 2 References I noticed: The "Dream Lord" calls the Doctor "last of the Time Lords" and "The oncoming storm" (about 10:30) and later he says to Amy "anything could happen" in a way that reminds me of Jackie Tyler saying the same thing to the ninth doctor in the episode "Rose".[[Special:Contributions/78.43.114.215|78.43.114.215]] 13:50, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Is Amy a deluded sociopath? ==
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| A great episode, but one thing bugged me: Amy says to the Doctor, "what is the point of you", after he fails to be able to bring back Rory. Now I say, what was the point of Amy's saying that? Earlier, she had no qualms to just pass by a whole playground full of children that got vaporised, even though she's expecting a child of her own, and one could expect some kind of sympathy from any human being. Moreover, she knows that the Doctor has saved countless people and worlds before, and that there have often been massacres and deaths at the hands of evil alien forces, but that the Doctor has always been able to prevent the worst from happening. Would she really be so completely selfish and irrational that the one single death of one guy, Rory, would cause her to dismiss the Doctor entirely and question his validity as a whole?
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| It was said that Gwen said the same about Jack, but then Gwen is allowed to be a bit thick; but here we're presented with a supposedly super sharp girl who sees beyond the banal worries of quotidian banalities. As moving as this line may be, it is just completely out of character and ruins everything a little. It's the essentially "Darth Vader Syndrome", cf. Star Wars III in which Anakin is happy to slaughter an entire kindergarten for the chance of saving his girlfriend. It's characterization gone mad.
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| Maybe we can have a note that says something like "Amy was seemingly unconcerned by the mass killings of the school children earlier in the episode"... [[User:Hack59|Hack59]] 00:16, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
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