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I reverted the article back to before the "Haters Gonna hate" spam. It ruins the article [[Special:Contributions/68.5.246.171|68.5.246.171]] 01:20, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


==Hath Monster Files?==
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Someone added this to the list of Rose Returns appearances. I've watched the Doctor's Daughter multiple times and there's no sign of Rose in the episode. If "Hath Monster Files" refers to a non-televised appearance (perhaps in a comic strip?), then this needs to be indicated. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 02:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


IT MEANS THE MONSTER FILES ON THE WEBSITE
== Middle name ==
The only place I know of using the middle name "Marion" is a non-narrative article ([[T:VS|not a story]]) in the ''[[Doctor Who Annual 2006]]''. Is there anywhere else that says this? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 15:04, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


==Rose, miss her, she is an awesome companion==
Shouldn't this information be mentioned in the article? [[User:DaPower|DaPower]] [[User talk:DaPower|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:08, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
Can't wait for her return, she rocks!


==Rose/Bad Wolf/How The Heck did she Survive it!==
: Major fact correction: [[PROSE]]: ''[[Meet Rose (short story)|Meet Rose]]'' is very much a story, just entirely in the "third person omniscient narration". But still entirely narrative. Still a story. Still a valid source. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 22:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
the Master refers to the Doctor having had a companion who could absorb the Time Vortex, however in context it obvious means others couldn't. So lets see, my questions are thus: 1 - Could she survive taking it in again, you know, had she stuck around to do so - B, no wait 2 - It killed the 9th Doctor just holding it in him for all of 30 seconds, and he's putting it back at the end of that 30-odd seconds, but Rose has it for 5 minutes. In the context of what the Master said, that's saying something special about Rose.
One last thing, about her teleporting between realities below in another section.


The Doctor held the time vortex for longer than 30 seconds. You have to remember she feel asleep/went unconscious for a while, that could have been a few minutes or a few hours. [[User:ThePolarity|ThePolarity]] 19:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
== How many years did Rose travel with the Doctor For? ==


==Travelling between Universes==
Seriously. Someone help me out with the math please. I know she was 19 when she joined him, but that's all I know. {{Unsigned-anon|24.4.226.205}}
In Stolen Earth, just 4 minutes in where she apepars and looks up and says, "Right, Now we're in trouble." the effect is different from how they travelled before in Army of Ghosts and Doomsday - Also, in the same season, She disappears like a ghost some times, and others disappears in a flash of light. In Turn left for instance, just after alt-Donna's first meeting with her, She fades out with none of the flashy stuff. infact the first time theres the flashy stuff is when alt-donna meets her for the 2nd time, both appear and disappear. Its when she firs tells donna that she also just fades out - Whats with that? - AlexMcpherson who really should register.
: At least on TV, it's never really said. I know nothing in series 2 reiterates Rose's age. Plus, I think Rose mentions something in ''Aliens of London'' where due to time travel, it's difficult to tell how many days it's been from her perspective. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 13:01, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


== Not sure if that's a discrepancy... ==
:: It does get even more confusing, as her birthdate fluctuates from [[1986]] to [[1987]]. It's so very odd, and writing her early life section was difficult considering consistent dates or ages are rarely given. <div style="background-color:#0E234E; border: solid 0.5px gold; display: inline; white-space: nowrap;">[[doctorwho:user:Epsilon the Eternal|<span style="background:#0E234E; color:white"><code>Epsilon</code></span>]][[doctorwho:user talk:Epsilon the Eternal|📯]] [[doctorwho:special:Contributions/Epsilon the Eternal|📂]]</div> 22:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


Regarding: "The 27th April birthdate is also inconsistent with a statement on the BBC's website: during the lead-up to the episode "Bad Wolf," the website was altered to tie in with the story's Big Brother theme, and a "contestant portrait" for Rose stated that she was an Aries, which is March 21 to April 19. (This of course is fairly irrelevant, as it simply means that whoever did the "contestant portrait" made a mistake regarding either her birthday or when the astrological sign of Aries is commonly accepted to be.) "
== Living in/Travel to the Parallel World ==


:Has anyone actually checked whether or not the sun is in the sign of Aries 27th of April in the year 200100? There is, after all, procession of the equinoxes to take into account, and as I understand it the date on which a sun sign ends progresses further into the year each year, albeit very slowly. If, by the year 200081, they have adjusted the dates, then it's very possible, even likely, that the year of birth that would be assumed for a 19-year-old girl in 200100, given her birthday on April 27th, would very certainly be in the sign of Aries. Additionally, since Rose would have never volunteered this information, it could have been extrapolated from a cellular sample. In that case, it could be inaccurate for all sorts of reasons, not limited to background temporal radiation or the fact that you quite simply cannot use any form of cellular chronological dating technique on something that has travelled through time. [[Special:Contributions/173.12.172.149|173.12.172.149]] 00:38, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
I don't get the logic of why Rose and Jackie HAD to live in the parallel world. I mean, they might have preferred to live there because Pete Tyler was alive in that world. But just because Rose was thought to be dead in the real world was no reason why she would be forced to stay in the parallel world or had to return there after her visits back to the real world.
==Living Alone?==
Weren't the events of [[DW]]: [[Stolen Earth]]/[[Journey's End]] rewritten? Wouldn't of the Duplicate Doctor never been made? ~ [[User:BillyWilliam3rd|BillyWilliam3rd]]


== Series 5 ==
Also, why would it take a star to get an image of The Doctor speaking to Rose when she was first living in the parallel world but The Doctor, Donna, meta-crisis Doctor, Jackie and Rose later easily traveled to the parallel world in the TARDIS after the fight with Davros and the Daleks. The reality bomb was destroyed in the fight and shouldn't have affected travel between worlds.[[Special:Contributions/69.125.134.86|69.125.134.86]]<sup>[[User talk:69.125.134.86#top|talk to me]]</sup> 10:17, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


In the behind the scenes section it says that Billie Piper was seen filming for series 5. As far as I can tell, both articles imply that the episode they were filming for was the Beast Below, which she didn't appear in. What with the cracks erasing events, I wouldn't put it past Moffat to have the story planned that she was on board the ship and just missed him (and they filmed that scene at the same time etc). But since it looks unlikely that she'll be appearing, should we remove it, as it seems she was just visiting the set. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 17:23, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
:We're talking post-''Journey's End'', right? Jackie went back there because she had a husband and a baby. The Doctor brought her back A) because he didn't want to separate her from her family, and B) to give the Meta-Crisis Doctor someplace to live and someone to look after him. All that was explained in that closing scene.


:Also, the Doctor had to use the star to power his hologram in ''Doomsday'' because there was only one small, closing crack between the two universes through which he could project himself. He could travel there in ''Journey's End'' because when the Reality Bomb went off in [[Pete's World]] (time running faster there, as a couple characters mentioned), it broke down the walls between the universes. The Doctor stopping Davros from detonating the bomb creates a ripple effect that makes that not happen - as DoctorDonna said, "dimensional retroclosure." [[User:TARDIStraveler|TARDIStraveler]] [[User talk:TARDIStraveler|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:14, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


== 2.2 Updated with new information ==


it could be due to the fact that the Doctor goes back in time to the Beast Below's events with Rose. that theory of Doctor in every episode from the finale is quite common and is supported in Flesh and Stone when he is seen comferting Amy telling her to remember with his jacket on, despite the fact that in previous scene he lost it and and next scene he still hasnt got it [[User:Ooiue|Ooiue]] 17:32, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that for Aliases that "The Valiant Child" was not included. Should that be added to this page? {{Unsigned-anon|108.7.49.171 }}
 
:No, because infoboxes are meant to be short, so we don't put nicknames and one-time names in the infobox. Thanks! [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:29, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
== Behind the scenes ==
 
I've removed two items from the "Behind the scenes" section:
 
:* Rose Tyler is the second longest serving companion of all time with 29 appearances as a companion.
I removed this one because it's too vague. If you're going to say "of all time", you have to take every companion in every appearance into account. "Appearances" is too vague — is it all stories, television stories, television episodes, NuWho stories, etc. If it can be clarified in some non-controversial way, it can be re-added. I say non-controversial because there have already been conflicting edits over whether Rose or Amy are the longest serving companions.
 
:* Rose is the only companion to have an episode named after her. However, it could be argued that [[Martha Jones]] did as well; Martha's debut episode was called [[Smith and Jones (TV story)|''Smith and Jones'']]. The "Jones" part was a reference to Martha's last name.
I removed this one because if one episode is named after Martha, then Rose is '''not''' the '''only''' one. There's no use in saying she's the only one to have an episode named after her first name. She's not the only, so this item shouldn't be re-added. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:01, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
 
== Adopted by Pete Tyler? ==
 
The current page lists the alternate universe Pete Tyler as Rose's "adoptive father". However, Rose is 19 when she's first introduced, which means she's legally an adult when she meets Pete. And you can't retroactively adopt an adult in the UK. Also, I don't remember it even being mentioned in any episode that Pete would've adopted Rose. So where does this information come from? {{unsigned|87.94.113.162}}
 
:Pete adopted her when Rose became trapped the alternate universe in [[Doomsday (TV story)|Doomsday]] and confirmed such in [[Journey's End (TV story)|Journey's End]].{{unsigned|Snivystorm}}
 
== Briggs and Dudman ==
[[Nicholas Briggs]] and [[Jacob Dudman]] provide narration for audio stories featuring Rose Tyler. Does this make them credible voice actors?
 
Thus far, the wiki has no official policy on the matter, the general response being that audios that are fully casted recasting the role and that portrayer being listed as a voice actor. In contrast, audios that are not fully casted use a narrator who reads in for absent actors as the character, the sole exception being if the character swap bodies, as the character narrating then is playing the other characters, as is the case for [[Damian Lynch]] in ''[[Ghost in the Machine (audio story)|Ghost in the Machine]]'', when his character, [[Benjamin Chikoto]], switches bodies with [[Jo Grant]] and the [[Third Doctor]].[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:55, April 27, 2018 (UTC)
 
:Since this debate spreads across [[Rose Tyler|multiple]] [[Martha Jones|pages]] already and will escalate in regard to the narration counts as actor situation should a yes or no be decided surely this is a topic best suited to the forums? Just a thought. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:44, April 27, 2018 (UTC)
 
:: Well, I see two pages for now. How about we agree to discuss it on [[Talk:Martha Jones]] for now? We can always move to the forum if need be later. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:50, April 27, 2018 (UTC)
 
== Korean Wiki ==
 
So I dunno what the policy is for this, but it seems the Korean Wiki has been [https://tardis.fandom.com/ko/wiki/로즈_타일러 closed]. That's why the link to it looks like random lettering. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:20, June 20, 2020 (UTC)
:Ah. Bugger. Now what an odd thing to happen. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 10:31, June 20, 2020 (UTC)
::It's not linked on the main page and it doesn't seem to be linked that much site wide, so the damage should be minimal? But it's still an issue it seems. [[User:Najawin|Najawin]] [[User talk:Najawin|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:22, June 20, 2020 (UTC)

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Middle name[[edit]]

The only place I know of using the middle name "Marion" is a non-narrative article (not a story) in the Doctor Who Annual 2006. Is there anywhere else that says this? -- Tybort (talk page) 15:04, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't this information be mentioned in the article? DaPower 18:08, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

Major fact correction: PROSE: Meet Rose is very much a story, just entirely in the "third person omniscient narration". But still entirely narrative. Still a story. Still a valid source. 22:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

How many years did Rose travel with the Doctor For?[[edit]]

Seriously. Someone help me out with the math please. I know she was 19 when she joined him, but that's all I know. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.4.226.205 (talk).

At least on TV, it's never really said. I know nothing in series 2 reiterates Rose's age. Plus, I think Rose mentions something in Aliens of London where due to time travel, it's difficult to tell how many days it's been from her perspective. -- Tybort (talk page) 13:01, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
It does get even more confusing, as her birthdate fluctuates from 1986 to 1987. It's so very odd, and writing her early life section was difficult considering consistent dates or ages are rarely given. 22:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Living in/Travel to the Parallel World[[edit]]

I don't get the logic of why Rose and Jackie HAD to live in the parallel world. I mean, they might have preferred to live there because Pete Tyler was alive in that world. But just because Rose was thought to be dead in the real world was no reason why she would be forced to stay in the parallel world or had to return there after her visits back to the real world.

Also, why would it take a star to get an image of The Doctor speaking to Rose when she was first living in the parallel world but The Doctor, Donna, meta-crisis Doctor, Jackie and Rose later easily traveled to the parallel world in the TARDIS after the fight with Davros and the Daleks. The reality bomb was destroyed in the fight and shouldn't have affected travel between worlds.69.125.134.86talk to me 10:17, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

We're talking post-Journey's End, right? Jackie went back there because she had a husband and a baby. The Doctor brought her back A) because he didn't want to separate her from her family, and B) to give the Meta-Crisis Doctor someplace to live and someone to look after him. All that was explained in that closing scene.
Also, the Doctor had to use the star to power his hologram in Doomsday because there was only one small, closing crack between the two universes through which he could project himself. He could travel there in Journey's End because when the Reality Bomb went off in Pete's World (time running faster there, as a couple characters mentioned), it broke down the walls between the universes. The Doctor stopping Davros from detonating the bomb creates a ripple effect that makes that not happen - as DoctorDonna said, "dimensional retroclosure." TARDIStraveler 15:14, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

2.2 Updated with new information[[edit]]

I noticed that for Aliases that "The Valiant Child" was not included. Should that be added to this page? The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.7.49.171 (talk).

No, because infoboxes are meant to be short, so we don't put nicknames and one-time names in the infobox. Thanks! Shambala108 17:29, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Behind the scenes[[edit]]

I've removed two items from the "Behind the scenes" section:

  • Rose Tyler is the second longest serving companion of all time with 29 appearances as a companion.

I removed this one because it's too vague. If you're going to say "of all time", you have to take every companion in every appearance into account. "Appearances" is too vague — is it all stories, television stories, television episodes, NuWho stories, etc. If it can be clarified in some non-controversial way, it can be re-added. I say non-controversial because there have already been conflicting edits over whether Rose or Amy are the longest serving companions.

  • Rose is the only companion to have an episode named after her. However, it could be argued that Martha Jones did as well; Martha's debut episode was called Smith and Jones. The "Jones" part was a reference to Martha's last name.

I removed this one because if one episode is named after Martha, then Rose is not the only one. There's no use in saying she's the only one to have an episode named after her first name. She's not the only, so this item shouldn't be re-added. Shambala108 00:01, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

Adopted by Pete Tyler?[[edit]]

The current page lists the alternate universe Pete Tyler as Rose's "adoptive father". However, Rose is 19 when she's first introduced, which means she's legally an adult when she meets Pete. And you can't retroactively adopt an adult in the UK. Also, I don't remember it even being mentioned in any episode that Pete would've adopted Rose. So where does this information come from? The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.94.113.162 (talk • contribs) .

Pete adopted her when Rose became trapped the alternate universe in Doomsday and confirmed such in Journey's End.The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snivystorm (talk • contribs) .

Briggs and Dudman[[edit]]

Nicholas Briggs and Jacob Dudman provide narration for audio stories featuring Rose Tyler. Does this make them credible voice actors?

Thus far, the wiki has no official policy on the matter, the general response being that audios that are fully casted recasting the role and that portrayer being listed as a voice actor. In contrast, audios that are not fully casted use a narrator who reads in for absent actors as the character, the sole exception being if the character swap bodies, as the character narrating then is playing the other characters, as is the case for Damian Lynch in Ghost in the Machine, when his character, Benjamin Chikoto, switches bodies with Jo Grant and the Third Doctor.BananaClownMan 19:55, April 27, 2018 (UTC)

Since this debate spreads across multiple pages already and will escalate in regard to the narration counts as actor situation should a yes or no be decided surely this is a topic best suited to the forums? Just a thought. --Borisashton 20:44, April 27, 2018 (UTC)
Well, I see two pages for now. How about we agree to discuss it on Talk:Martha Jones for now? We can always move to the forum if need be later. Amorkuz 20:50, April 27, 2018 (UTC)

Korean Wiki[[edit]]

So I dunno what the policy is for this, but it seems the Korean Wiki has been closed. That's why the link to it looks like random lettering. Najawin 03:20, June 20, 2020 (UTC)

Ah. Bugger. Now what an odd thing to happen. --Scrooge MacDuck 10:31, June 20, 2020 (UTC)
It's not linked on the main page and it doesn't seem to be linked that much site wide, so the damage should be minimal? But it's still an issue it seems. Najawin 19:22, June 20, 2020 (UTC)