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| Title reference? '''[http://doctor-who-collectors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Tardis1963 <span style="background:#0E234E; color:white">Tardis1963</span>]''' 00:22, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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| | == Blood of the Cybermen == |
| | Just a quick something and I sure it's been discussed before, but under Production Errors, shouldn't we count Amy's lack of knowledge about the Cybermen when in the timeline of the Whoniverse, she actually met them in the Video Game: Blood of the Cybermen? Nevertheless, if there is an explanation for it, we should still list it as a bullet point and then we should give a possible explanation after it in italics. What do you reckon? |
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| The reference is on the series 5 article page, is it not? Plus, nearly every title this series that has been given beforehand has come true and the events of the finale were refered to as "The Pandorica Opens" in Flesh and Stone, and the title was given long before then. Heck, The Eleventh Hour title was given long before it aired, and people wouldn't accept it. The likliness is that this is the title, so let's stop being so damn highhorse. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 00:57, May 9, 2010 (UTC) | | :[[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<font color="green">talk</font>]] 15:15, September 24, 2011 (UTC) |
| | :The box inside the Production Errors section clearly says to use the [[Forum:Doctor Who television discontinuity and plot holes/The Pandorica Opens|Discontinuity discussion]]. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 15:19, September 24, 2011 (UTC) |
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| | == These Cybermen are Mondas Cybermen? == |
| http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KTJWhtuRLac/S_2shtln0sI/AAAAAAAAKd0/QXC6maWezCY/s1600/finale2.png
| | I don't think these Cybermen are from Pete's world. That makes no sense. River Song said they had spaceships, implying they were from outer-space instead of an alternate reality. The new series "Pete's world" cybermen redesign has sort of replaced the old Mondas appearance. In "A Good Man Goes to War" the 12th Cyber Legion, who also should be Mondas Cybermen, appear as the new redesigned Pete's world models as well. Also, in the graphic novel "Assimilation2" the Mondas cybermen appear as Pete's World redesigns as well. |
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| == Delete the page ==
| | I think it is safe to say these are Mondas Cybermen |
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| The title is yet-to-be confirmed, until then this page mustn't exist![[User:Drwhobg|Drwhobg]] 09:05, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Slitheen? == |
| | How did we determine that these were [[Slitheen]] specifically and not [[Raxacoricofallapatorian]]? I don't recall are narrative information to that effect. --[[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:47, April 20, 2013 (UTC) |
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| no need to delete, news report of title confirmation here http://www.kasterborous.com/2010/05/18/episode-12-title-revealed/ [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]] 17:01, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
| | River specifically says "Slitheen".--[[User:Jasontank|Jasontank]] [[User talk:Jasontank|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:54, May 30, 2013 (UTC) |
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| == Ridiculous Rumours == | | == unsourced cast == |
| | Moving unsourced uncredited cast here until it can be '''properly''' sourced. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:39, November 6, 2016 (UTC) |
| | * Roman Extras - The Ermine Street Guard |
| | * Blowfish - Chris Barber |
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| With this being the series finale, we are constantly going to be givin lots of rumours on the page, some which have been around for a while or some that we are going to have heard by someone who made up. We need to have all rumours sourced to help the page from getting constantly being barmbarded with pathetic rumours, if not they will be deleted. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 08:39, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
| | Just rewatching the episode and I noticed a big error, in my opinion. When River goes to Amy's house, she finds a book of the romans which also happens to have a photo of Amy and Rory in it. If Rory had never existed that photo should not exist, unless the TARDIS is able to land into the original timeline that was not altered by Rory's death and subsequent erasure. Thoughts? |
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| Are you expecting the Rani rumours to surface like every other year? To be honest, there are pretty much few rumours this finale because of the lack of info. All we really know is something to do with a load of aliens featuring and Stonehenge and River Song. The only pure rumour is Omega. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 13:36, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Uncredited cast == |
| | | Moving uncredited cast here until it can be properly sourced. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:16, July 27, 2019 (UTC) |
| ==For now and unmessyness== | | * [[Dalek]]s/[[Cyberman (Pete's World)|Cybermen]] (voice) - [[Nicholas Briggs]] |
| Until it confirmed and the episode airs it is hard to determine which aliens who are appearing will be a villain/enemy so I have placed all confirmed appearances of previous aliens in the story notes section until it is actually confirmed who will be the villains as it helps to stop people messing with the infobox. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 11:54, May 22, 2010 (UTC).
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| Just putting this here as I don't want to go putting it on every talk page of the enemies appearing. Shouldn't we wait until they appear before saying that they are an Eleventh Doctor enemy or appear in these episodes? It may just be a false rumour for all we know. Or a trick. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 21:35, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
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| It's not a rumours, it's actually supposed to be confirmed from those who get the biggest spoilers. They saw various filmimg images that revealed all of those enemies appearing in the finale, but they aren't aloud to make the pictures public until a certain date, or they could get into big trouble with the BBC. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 01:43, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| What if things that fall into the time cracks appear in the Pandorica? That would explain the Cybermen and Daleks?
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| Why is it that people keep changing the enemies in the info box? [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 20:27, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| i think that if you fall into a crack you are enlisted into the cracks cuasers army like daleks and cybermen and one pic of the aliens in harmony not fighting [[User:Drwhoworld|Drwhoworld]] 10:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Omega and the Dark Tower/Death Zone==
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| To the best of my knowledge, the only source for Omega is "some video on YouTube said that someone on the set saw someone who looked like Omega come out of the Pandorica". (And I wasn't able to find such a video, but then I'm not sure what to search for.) Is that really enough to qualify as a rumor?
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| And the only source for the Dark Tower/Death Zone seems to be an anonymous blogger and a 13-year-old video blogger who both came to the conclusion that if there are lots of different enemies, the Death Zone is probably involved. The video blogger also based this on the hoaxed name for episode 13, "Enemies of a Time Lord".
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| If we're going to include these rumors at all, I think it's worth putting more than a fact tag. Maybe we could say that these are completely unsourced in mainstream media and are only the speculation of a few fans. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 07:24, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Crack in Time in City of Death ==
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| In the classic story 'City of Death', when Romana's picture changes into a broken clock, on the face of the clock is a crack, just like the crack seen this series.
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| :Please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes. Also, if you start your post with an extra space, it makes it unreadable. (I fixed this for you.) --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 08:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Edit war over synopsis==
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| [[User:Olilorry]] and [[User:The mysterious]] have been undoing and redoing the same change, at least 4 times in the past 2 hours, using either no edit comment, or the exact same one ("we need a more informal synopsis") each time. Here are the two versions:
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| :A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall… (ref)http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/date/2010/05 (/ref)
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| :A message on the oldest cliff-face in the universe, a puzzle box opening from the inside and a love that lasts thousands of years... The fates are drawing close around the Tardis – is this the day the Doctor falls?
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| I believe the former is copied straight out of the doctorwhotv.co.uk article given as a reference, while the latter is copied from the leaked Radio Times episode description.
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| Anyway, I'm hoping that people can come to some kind of consensus on the Talk page rather than continuing to edit war. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 08:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall…
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| A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall
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| To be honest my synopsis are better more info[[User:The mysterious|The mysterious]] 08:58, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :I agree, there is more information on your synopsis. But there's some that's in the other synopsis and not in yours. For example, yours doesn't mention the cliff-face or the puzzle box.
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| :More importantly, as I said, both seem to have been copied directly from other sites, and we really don't know who wrote them, so we may be violating someone's copyright.
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| :I think the best answer is to try to merge the two together into something original. But I'd have to look at what the Manual of Style says above synopses and/or look over the other episodes before I'd feel comfortable writing it, so I'm hoping someone else will come up with something that makes everyone happy while I sleep. :) --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 09:03, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :One more minor thing. Your ref tag links to the list of all blog posts in May. While the finale spoilers were probably at the top when you added it, by this point they're not even on the first page. On doctorwhotv.co.uk, it's better to use the permanent links (like http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/finale-spoilers-5888.htm in this case), which you can get (among other ways) by right-clicking the story title and copying the link. I'll change that for now. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 09:06, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| |I smartly combined both sypnosises into one, detailed version. The war has stopped!
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| [[User:Kerange|Kerange]] 22:02, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Rory ==
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| Please everyone do not delete Rory. People have done it, ignoring the fact that there's a link ''right next to his name'' that says that he's appearing. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 20:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :No, there is no link next to his name, either in Cast or in Companions.
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| :Two references have been given in the past to support this, but neither one actually does. The first states that Arthur Darvill, who plays Rory in season 5, will be part of a panel at BAFTA's pre-screening of the episode. The second states that Arthur Darvill appears in episode 13. Neither one says anything about Rory appearing in episode 12. If you have a new source, you haven't presented it anywhere. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 21:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Omega and the "nameless, terrible thing" ==
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| *Omega could return after a video on YouTube said one of the set members mentioned him coming out of the Pandorica. <sup class="noprint">[[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Tardis:Manual_of_style#Citation '''source''' needed]]</sup>
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| *An alleged leaked script for episodes 12 and 13 described some evil form of entity, describing a "nameless, terrible thing" soaked in the blood of galaxies, the most feared thing in the cosmos. This is thought to be referring to the ultimate "big bad" of the finale. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cameronkmcewan/4477193338/ There is also a fan rumour that the Pandorica opening refers to Pandora's box, with the same thing mentioning a puzzle box opening. It is thought that this opening of the box has something to do with the return of various enemies.
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| The first one was here in the past, with the exact same wording. Someone later edited it to just say "Omega will return" (with a fact tag). Since that shorter version is still there, there's no need for the long version, because it doesn't add any additional information. If someone could specify what video on YouTube is being talked about, or at least rewrite this into English (and what is a "set member"?), it might be useful, but as it is, it sounds like "I heard that someone said that someone said that Omega will return."
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| The first half of the second one has also been added in the past multiple times, with the same wording. I'm not sure why it's been deleted, because it seems relevant, but it shouldn't be added back without some discussion. On top of that, it's not accurate as written--a leaked Radio Times episode guide is not a leaked script.
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| The second half is a separate rumour, and probably doesn't need to be supported. I'll try to add it back in. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 10:26, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| : See http://www.radiotimes.com/blogs/910-doctor-who-steven-moffats-episode-guide/ as a source. [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:38, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
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Just a quick something and I sure it's been discussed before, but under Production Errors, shouldn't we count Amy's lack of knowledge about the Cybermen when in the timeline of the Whoniverse, she actually met them in the Video Game: Blood of the Cybermen? Nevertheless, if there is an explanation for it, we should still list it as a bullet point and then we should give a possible explanation after it in italics. What do you reckon?
- TheFartyDoctor talk 15:15, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
- The box inside the Production Errors section clearly says to use the Discontinuity discussion. -- Tybort (talk page) 15:19, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
These Cybermen are Mondas Cybermen?[[edit source]]
I don't think these Cybermen are from Pete's world. That makes no sense. River Song said they had spaceships, implying they were from outer-space instead of an alternate reality. The new series "Pete's world" cybermen redesign has sort of replaced the old Mondas appearance. In "A Good Man Goes to War" the 12th Cyber Legion, who also should be Mondas Cybermen, appear as the new redesigned Pete's world models as well. Also, in the graphic novel "Assimilation2" the Mondas cybermen appear as Pete's World redesigns as well.
I think it is safe to say these are Mondas Cybermen
How did we determine that these were Slitheen specifically and not Raxacoricofallapatorian? I don't recall are narrative information to that effect. --ComicBookGoddess ☎ 03:47, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
River specifically says "Slitheen".--Jasontank ☎ 01:54, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
Moving unsourced uncredited cast here until it can be properly sourced. Shambala108 ☎ 05:39, November 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Roman Extras - The Ermine Street Guard
- Blowfish - Chris Barber
Just rewatching the episode and I noticed a big error, in my opinion. When River goes to Amy's house, she finds a book of the romans which also happens to have a photo of Amy and Rory in it. If Rory had never existed that photo should not exist, unless the TARDIS is able to land into the original timeline that was not altered by Rory's death and subsequent erasure. Thoughts?
Moving uncredited cast here until it can be properly sourced. Shambala108 ☎ 04:16, July 27, 2019 (UTC)
