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Compare the prop painting to what the real painting looks like (third thumb nail down), where the hat looks like a hat and not a white blob of paint which could be mistaken for hair.
Compare the prop painting to what the real painting looks like (third thumb nail down), where the hat looks like a hat and not a white blob of paint which could be mistaken for hair.
[[File:The_version_in_Doctor_Who.jpg|thumb]][[File:JonPertwee1.jpg|thumb]]
[[File:The_version_in_Doctor_Who.jpg|thumb]]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_Dr._Gachet.jpg Wikipedia - Portrait of Dr Gachet (third image)]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Portrait_of_Dr._Gachet.jpg Wikipedia - Portrait of Dr Gachet (third image)]
I'm not familiar with Van Gogh's work, so when I looked up the painting on-line, I was surprised to discover that the figure was actually wearing a hat. Also, the purple coat in the painting looks like the kind of felt coats Pertwee's doctor often wore. When I first saw the painting in the episode, I instantly thought, "Hey! It's Jon Pertwee!"
I'm not familiar with Van Gogh's work, so when I looked up the painting on-line, I was surprised to discover that the figure was actually wearing a hat. Also, the purple coat in the painting looks like the kind of felt coats Pertwee's doctor often wore. When I first saw the painting in the episode, I instantly thought, "Hey! It's Jon Pertwee!"
'''''[[Special:Contributions/142.177.66.44|-Meddling Fool]]'''''
'''''[[Special:Contributions/142.177.66.44|-Meddling Fool]]'''''




*Personally, I don't see it at all. He looks completely different. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 08:55, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
*Personally, I don't see it at all. He looks completely different. --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 08:55, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
==Companion?==
This may be a stretch, but Vincent's relationship with the Doctor is vastly different from those we've seen with other historical figures and he is even allowed to travel with the Doctor in the TARDIS. There are other characters who haven't even had that privilege who are considered companions. Considering how much aid Vincent has leant the Doctor and how much he meant to both he and Amy I think it would be fair to consider him one. [[User:Wollstone|Wollstone]] 05:49, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
== Also Called ==
"Madman," "The Greatest Artist Who Ever Lived," and "Strange Wild Man" ae not aliases, nicknames, or anything that he would also be called. These are descriptions of him, and are not significant enough to be listed.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 19:34, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
:"Also Called" covers more than aliases and nickname. It covers ''everything'' he is called; Madman, etc. It was changed from Aliases, as people were adding this that were not aliases and allows us to obtain, add and understand more information about the character. {{User:Mini-mitch/sig}}&nbsp;<span style="background-color:green;color:white;font-style:bold">'''19:39:35 Fri&nbsp;'''22 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
But its ridiculous to include every phrase that has ever been used to describe the character. "The Greatest Artist Who Ever Lived" might be able to be included, since it refers specifically to Van Gogh, but "Madman" and "Strange Wild Man" are just adjectives that can be used to describe anybody.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 20:16, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
==Vincent Van Gogh is The Master==
1. van Gogh, as we discover in 'Vincent and the Doctor', is mad. The Master is also mad. <br />
2. van Gogh was deeply unpopular with the local rubes. The Master was terribly charismatic and brilliant at manipulating local rubes to his advantage (cf. 'The Daemons'). If the Master were trying to hide his true nature, what better way than to appear deeply unpopular with the locals? <br />
3. van Gogh could see the Krafayis when nobody else could see it. This is probably a Time Lord ability to see things nobody else can see. <br />
4. Alternatively, a bio-upgrade of some sort given to him offscreen during 'The Mark of the Rani'. <br />
5. No one can agree on the correct pronunciation of 'van Gogh'. Got to be an allusion to the many different names the Master has used throughout his career.
6. I seem to recall in one serial during the seventies the Master expressed an interest in painting. <br />
7. The name 'Vincent van Gogh' is an anagram of 'Vincent van Gogh', the alias used by the Master in this story. <br />
8. Tony Curran. Anthony "Tony" Ainley. Do I have to spell this out, people? <br />
9. Being a man, he's definitely not Susan, Romana, the Rani or Rose, the only other possible candidates for a character in a Doctor Who story. Although there is a slim chance he is secretly the eighth Doctor, played by Paul McGann. <br />
10. In one of the deleted scenes for this episode, van Gogh laughs maniacally and screams, 'I am the Master', before turning into the Master. <br />
I believe the evidence is clear. --[[User:Lucifuge Rofacale|Lucifuge Rofacale]] [[User talk:Lucifuge Rofacale|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:53, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
=== You're insane. ===
# So is the Doctor. <br /> Oooooooooooooooh
# How about not making himself appear at all? Like... The Doctor! <br /> Oooooooooooooooh
# the doctor couldn't see them
# Vincent Van Gogh was in Time and the Rani?
# No, that's bad British pronunciation.
# I seem to recall the Doctor liking smiling... Just like the Master does! <br /> Oooooooooooooooh
# You realise how stupid that is right?
# David Tenant -> Eric Roberts. Do I need to spell it out?
# Yes! As I have been saying, he is obviously the Doctor!
# I bet he does. He also yells "I am the Doctor!" And rubs pudding all over himself.
# You're insane.
I believe the evidence is clear. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 18:05, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
This theory belongs in [[Howling:The Howling]], which, I should warn you, does contain spoilers. The rebuttal could be considered a [[Tardis:No personal attacks|personal attack]], so be careful what you say to other users. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:58, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
:I was clearly being satirical. Poe's Law anyone? --[[User:Lucifuge Rofacale|Lucifuge Rofacale]] [[User talk:Lucifuge Rofacale|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:41, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
:: That's my line! [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 17:51, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 18:58, 10 September 2013

Hi, everybody! Did anybody else notice that the picture of the Doctor on the wall looked at lot like Jon Pertwee?

Note the first of the three thumb nails; this is the painting as seen in the episode: It seems to me that the crew might have lighted the shot so as to make the hat in the painting seem less like a hat and more like Pertwee's white hair. They also left out the black lines defining the hat which appear in the original painting. (The paintings were no doubt not the million dollar originals, but were probably props created for the show).

Compare the prop painting to what the real painting looks like (third thumb nail down), where the hat looks like a hat and not a white blob of paint which could be mistaken for hair.

The version in Doctor Who.jpg

I'm not familiar with Van Gogh's work, so when I looked up the painting on-line, I was surprised to discover that the figure was actually wearing a hat. Also, the purple coat in the painting looks like the kind of felt coats Pertwee's doctor often wore. When I first saw the painting in the episode, I instantly thought, "Hey! It's Jon Pertwee!" -Meddling Fool


  • Personally, I don't see it at all. He looks completely different. --The Thirteenth Doctor 08:55, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


Companion?[[edit source]]

This may be a stretch, but Vincent's relationship with the Doctor is vastly different from those we've seen with other historical figures and he is even allowed to travel with the Doctor in the TARDIS. There are other characters who haven't even had that privilege who are considered companions. Considering how much aid Vincent has leant the Doctor and how much he meant to both he and Amy I think it would be fair to consider him one. Wollstone 05:49, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Also Called[[edit source]]

"Madman," "The Greatest Artist Who Ever Lived," and "Strange Wild Man" ae not aliases, nicknames, or anything that he would also be called. These are descriptions of him, and are not significant enough to be listed.Icecreamdif 19:34, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

"Also Called" covers more than aliases and nickname. It covers everything he is called; Madman, etc. It was changed from Aliases, as people were adding this that were not aliases and allows us to obtain, add and understand more information about the character. Mini-mitch\talk

 19:39:35 Fri 22 Jul 2011 

But its ridiculous to include every phrase that has ever been used to describe the character. "The Greatest Artist Who Ever Lived" might be able to be included, since it refers specifically to Van Gogh, but "Madman" and "Strange Wild Man" are just adjectives that can be used to describe anybody.Icecreamdif 20:16, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Vincent Van Gogh is The Master[[edit source]]

1. van Gogh, as we discover in 'Vincent and the Doctor', is mad. The Master is also mad.
2. van Gogh was deeply unpopular with the local rubes. The Master was terribly charismatic and brilliant at manipulating local rubes to his advantage (cf. 'The Daemons'). If the Master were trying to hide his true nature, what better way than to appear deeply unpopular with the locals?
3. van Gogh could see the Krafayis when nobody else could see it. This is probably a Time Lord ability to see things nobody else can see.
4. Alternatively, a bio-upgrade of some sort given to him offscreen during 'The Mark of the Rani'.
5. No one can agree on the correct pronunciation of 'van Gogh'. Got to be an allusion to the many different names the Master has used throughout his career. 6. I seem to recall in one serial during the seventies the Master expressed an interest in painting.
7. The name 'Vincent van Gogh' is an anagram of 'Vincent van Gogh', the alias used by the Master in this story.
8. Tony Curran. Anthony "Tony" Ainley. Do I have to spell this out, people?
9. Being a man, he's definitely not Susan, Romana, the Rani or Rose, the only other possible candidates for a character in a Doctor Who story. Although there is a slim chance he is secretly the eighth Doctor, played by Paul McGann.
10. In one of the deleted scenes for this episode, van Gogh laughs maniacally and screams, 'I am the Master', before turning into the Master.
I believe the evidence is clear. --Lucifuge Rofacale 17:53, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

You're insane.[[edit source]]

  1. So is the Doctor.
    Oooooooooooooooh
  2. How about not making himself appear at all? Like... The Doctor!
    Oooooooooooooooh
  3. the doctor couldn't see them
  4. Vincent Van Gogh was in Time and the Rani?
  5. No, that's bad British pronunciation.
  6. I seem to recall the Doctor liking smiling... Just like the Master does!
    Oooooooooooooooh
  7. You realise how stupid that is right?
  8. David Tenant -> Eric Roberts. Do I need to spell it out?
  9. Yes! As I have been saying, he is obviously the Doctor!
  10. I bet he does. He also yells "I am the Doctor!" And rubs pudding all over himself.
  11. You're insane.

I believe the evidence is clear. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 18:05, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

This theory belongs in Howling:The Howling, which, I should warn you, does contain spoilers. The rebuttal could be considered a personal attack, so be careful what you say to other users. Shambala108 18:58, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

I was clearly being satirical. Poe's Law anyone? --Lucifuge Rofacale 17:41, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
That's my line! OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 17:51, January 9, 2013 (UTC)