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I'd like to talk for a bit about the TARDIS piece that the Doctor found in the crack. The obvious difference between this piece and the present TARDIS is the poster is indented on the piece, but not on the actual TARDIS. Thoughts? The Thirteenth Doctor 19:02, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Shame we don't have a pic to hand. I always wondered why Pete's World didn't have a Doctor of their own. From your alledged difference, perhaps they do have one, and he is about to lose his Tardis.

Another thing, with all the Tardis being destroyed by the Daleks in the Time War, how come there hasn't been any other temporal explosions of this magnitude before? Would the Supreme Dalek dropping the TARDIS into the centre of the Crucible in Journeys End have resulted in this, if RTD's dues ex machina had not kicked in? Torchwood Five87.80.103.44 20:55, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we're intended to believe that any TARDIS blowing up has this kind of effect. I think the idea is that this is a special, unique explosion, caused by something else, that happened to be on (or even right outside) the TARDIS.

But, even if that weren't right, there were all kinds of crazy temporal events and massive explosions and so on during the LGTW--planets were erased from existence, "higher" life forms were ravaged or killed by some kind of energy we humans couldn't even sense, etc. (All of that was presumably time locked with the rest of the War, but species that were affected indirectly aren't inside the time lock, so it still affects the universe indirectly.) And any explosion like this wouldn't have mattered much in Journey's End if the Reality Bomb had gone off shortly thereafter....

As for the original point, from the look on the Doctor's face, he certainly seems to think that it's evidence that his TARDIS has exploded. Sure, it could be a real 1960s police box, or a substitute TARDIS that he later cobbles together in The Lodger, or something else, but why would he react that way, if those were possibilities? --Falcotron 21:30, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the piece is more like that section of the previous TARDIS. And Pete's world does have another Doctor, the meta-crisis tenth Doctor. And in a deleted scene, the Doctor and Donna gave Rose and the MC-Tenth a piece of TARDIS coral to grow their own. Maybe Rose and that comes back, Billie Piper was seen on the set for one of the episodes, though it was for the beast below. Ah well. A few weeks and we'll know. The Thirteenth Doctor 21:56, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well first off, of course he would think it's his at first. That would be anyone's first reaction.

Also, regarding the indent, wood can warp. You have to realize that the piece he pulled from the crack won't perfectly match his TARDIS because it has gone through an explosion.

Besides all of that, maybe his entire TARDIS didn't explode. Maybe it wasn't a replica or actual police box. That piece he pulled out is part of that tiny door leading to the phone. Maybe he only lost the tiny door. V00D00M0NKY 22:07, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hell, maybe the plate that holds the poster just fell off the door in a particularly rough landing. He seems to be getting worse and worse at them since River told him he was doing it wrong. :)

But seriously, my guess is that either it's the TARDIS, or it would have been the TARDIS but he managed to substitute a replica that he built for that purpose (probably in The Lodger), or he built the replica and destroyed it to send a message back to himself in CB, or something like that. All these theories that it's just something that coincidentally matches or maybe a piece fell off or whatever seem like a stretch to me. --Falcotron 22:19, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Crack in the Keyhole was the same as the crack in cold blood, so he was basically reaching through the tardis. He probably just pulled it off. It seems that when he regenerated, it cracked the keyhole and the screen. The screen is next to the heart of the tardis, which would erase you from time, and the keyhole is just, well, a normal crack. So when he reached through it, he reached outside the tardis. The reason why the crack went to cold blood is because when the Tardis is flying through the time vortex it would move the crack through time.

212.159.18.224 13:55, June 3, 2010 (UTC) or as I like to be known as on youtube and wordpress - DoctorWhoTHEORIES

So you're saying that the cracks are effectively caused by the TARDIS not repairing itself properly in TEH (maybe because he rushed it, when it sense that he and Amy were desperate to get inside?), a flaw being projected out from the Heart of the TARDIS to the outside world? That's a really cool idea. And it fits in with the other side of the crack being the TARDIS exploding during the finale.

The only problem is, how does that explain all the other cracks, like the ones Rosanna saw "worlds and people" through (once of which she and her family traveled through to get to Earth) and the ones where she saw "only silence, and the end of all things"? Is it just that the one "prime crack" that connects the vicinity of the TARDIS at each moment with its explosion is somehow causing other cracks to appear all over spacetime that just connect up any two random places? --Falcotron 14:05, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

OMG that's brilliant. The time energy leaking out is the energy from the heart of that TARDIS. We don't know the true nature of that energy. We do know that Rose looked into the time vortex by looking into the heart. If it is causing the cracks then it makes sense that it spreads through all of time and space because that's exactly what the time lords saw when they looked into the vortex and by looking into the heart of the TARDIS you look into the vortex. Maybe the new TARDIS he builds will be the new TARDIS for series 6 or maybe he will just stop the TARDIS from exploding at all or replace it with the one he builds in the Lodger (is this even confirmed?). V00D00M0NKY 15:59, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Or does this mean a certain character is returning? If the cracks are in other univreses too, (likely because of the Big Bang) then it seems perfectly plausible that one could pass between universes. -- Dragonfree OVER 3,500 EDITS 10:24, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oh INTERESTING. Because the dimensional teleport devices are said to create a crack in the universe every time they're used... if the MC-10 Doctor and Rose managed to create a Tardis, their impetuous butts wouldn't necessarily do everything right with it. I'm very iffy about that though, since there's zilch forshadowing about Rose and MC-10 coming back. Still, interesting link. Agonaga 05:47, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Please sign your posts with four tildes (~). Anyway, I don't think Rose is coming back. Could the production team really pull that off without anyone leaking it? And, considering what it would probably mean for the ratings, would they want to keep it secret in the first place? Although I suppose they could announce it a week or two in advance and get most of the same ratings boost.... --Falcotron 05:45, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Falcotron. the twelfth doctor 17:27, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

The cracks are caused from the big bang, which is cause from the explosion of the heart of the tardis

We're not discussing that subject here. The Thirteenth Doctor 18:50, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Does the piece match the tardis in the beginning segment of the Eleventh hour when just before the engines were going to cause an explosion? Perhaps they did. Jack Chilli 12:01, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to ask again but the questions section seems to be full of repetative nutters more often than not. Does the piece found match the TARDIS in it's new form or does it more closely match the older (tenth Doctor) TARDIS? I don't have the episodes recorded anywhere so can't check. Could the Doctor's concern be more than the fact that his TARDIS is going to explode but his realisation that it (pardoxically?) did so already. Jack Chilli 08:43, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

i think you are forgeting one very important flaw with it being from TEH TARDIS. If it was, why does that section of the TARDIS still exist. Plus, it was from 26/06/10, and the Doctor hasnt been there yet. It's logical to assume that an explosion will happen, something involving the TARDIS. Furtherly (which i dont think is even a word :P), everyone is also considering its a replica or and actual Police Box. I mean, come on guys, the odds are through the roof and you just don't want to see the TARDIS blown up. I don't, just, look at the evidence. Evn more furtherly, the TARDIS peice does match exactly the one the Doctor compared it too (apart from the scorch marks -.-)Ooiue 11:26, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

The word you're looking for is furthermore ;) And it doesn't match it exactly. In the shrapnel piece, the poster is perfectly indented. People have said that this could be the wood warping, but I doubt it would warp that perfectly. The TARDIS door he compared it to, does not have the indents, but the poster is just like a poster, flat on the door. Check the images. --The Thirteenth Doctor 12:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

The 10th's looked like the 11th's but with thicker material and affixed with nails or bolts or something in the corner rather than glue. So, the fragment looks even less like the 10th's than the 11th's. --Falcotron 00:53, June 11, 2010 (UTC)