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| Title reference? '''[http://doctor-who-collectors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Tardis1963 <span style="background:#0E234E; color:white">Tardis1963</span>]''' 00:22, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Blood of the Cybermen == |
| | Just a quick something and I sure it's been discussed before, but under Production Errors, shouldn't we count Amy's lack of knowledge about the Cybermen when in the timeline of the Whoniverse, she actually met them in the Video Game: Blood of the Cybermen? Nevertheless, if there is an explanation for it, we should still list it as a bullet point and then we should give a possible explanation after it in italics. What do you reckon? |
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| The reference is on the series 5 article page, is it not? Plus, nearly every title this series that has been given beforehand has come true and the events of the finale were refered to as "The Pandorica Opens" in Flesh and Stone, and the title was given long before then. Heck, The Eleventh Hour title was given long before it aired, and people wouldn't accept it. The likliness is that this is the title, so let's stop being so damn highhorse. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 00:57, May 9, 2010 (UTC) | | :[[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<font color="green">talk</font>]] 15:15, September 24, 2011 (UTC) |
| | :The box inside the Production Errors section clearly says to use the [[Forum:Doctor Who television discontinuity and plot holes/The Pandorica Opens|Discontinuity discussion]]. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 15:19, September 24, 2011 (UTC) |
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| | == These Cybermen are Mondas Cybermen? == |
| http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KTJWhtuRLac/S_2shtln0sI/AAAAAAAAKd0/QXC6maWezCY/s1600/finale2.png
| | I don't think these Cybermen are from Pete's world. That makes no sense. River Song said they had spaceships, implying they were from outer-space instead of an alternate reality. The new series "Pete's world" cybermen redesign has sort of replaced the old Mondas appearance. In "A Good Man Goes to War" the 12th Cyber Legion, who also should be Mondas Cybermen, appear as the new redesigned Pete's world models as well. Also, in the graphic novel "Assimilation2" the Mondas cybermen appear as Pete's World redesigns as well. |
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| == Ridiculous Rumours ==
| | I think it is safe to say these are Mondas Cybermen |
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| With this being the series finale, we are constantly going to be givin lots of rumours on the page, some which have been around for a while or some that we are going to have heard by someone who made up. We need to have all rumours sourced to help the page from getting constantly being barmbarded with pathetic rumours, if not they will be deleted. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 08:39, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Slitheen? == |
| | How did we determine that these were [[Slitheen]] specifically and not [[Raxacoricofallapatorian]]? I don't recall are narrative information to that effect. --[[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:47, April 20, 2013 (UTC) |
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| Are you expecting the Rani rumours to surface like every other year? To be honest, there are pretty much few rumours this finale because of the lack of info. All we really know is something to do with a load of aliens featuring and Stonehenge and River Song. The only pure rumour is Omega. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 13:36, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
| | River specifically says "Slitheen".--[[User:Jasontank|Jasontank]] [[User talk:Jasontank|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:54, May 30, 2013 (UTC) |
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| ==For now and unmessyness== | | == unsourced cast == |
| Until it confirmed and the episode airs it is hard to determine which aliens who are appearing will be a villain/enemy so I have placed all confirmed appearances of previous aliens in the story notes section until it is actually confirmed who will be the villains as it helps to stop people messing with the infobox. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 11:54, May 22, 2010 (UTC).
| | Moving unsourced uncredited cast here until it can be '''properly''' sourced. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:39, November 6, 2016 (UTC) |
| | * Roman Extras - The Ermine Street Guard |
| | * Blowfish - Chris Barber |
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| ==Enemies==
| | Just rewatching the episode and I noticed a big error, in my opinion. When River goes to Amy's house, she finds a book of the romans which also happens to have a photo of Amy and Rory in it. If Rory had never existed that photo should not exist, unless the TARDIS is able to land into the original timeline that was not altered by Rory's death and subsequent erasure. Thoughts? |
| Just putting this here as I don't want to go putting it on every talk page of the enemies appearing. Shouldn't we wait until they appear before saying that they are an Eleventh Doctor enemy or appear in these episodes? It may just be a false rumour for all we know. Or a trick. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 21:35, May 22, 2010 (UTC) | |
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| It's not a rumours, it's actually supposed to be confirmed from those who get the biggest spoilers. They saw various filmimg images that revealed all of those enemies appearing in the finale, but they aren't aloud to make the pictures public until a certain date, or they could get into big trouble with the BBC. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 01:43, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Uncredited cast == |
| | | Moving uncredited cast here until it can be properly sourced. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:16, July 27, 2019 (UTC) |
| What if things that fall into the time cracks appear in the Pandorica? That would explain the Cybermen and Daleks?
| | * [[Dalek]]s/[[Cyberman (Pete's World)|Cybermen]] (voice) - [[Nicholas Briggs]] |
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| Why is it that people keep changing the enemies in the info box? [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 20:27, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| i think that if you fall into a crack you are enlisted into the cracks cuasers army like daleks and cybermen and one pic of the aliens in harmony not fighting [[User:Drwhoworld|Drwhoworld]] 10:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| “There was a Goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it – one day it would just drop out of sky and tear down your world.”
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| Surely this is The Doctor.
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| The Doctor being dragged to the open Pandoricaby Roman soldiers. Various enemies seen standing around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsmXrhE2Hgk&feature=related. [[Special:Contributions/74.100.68.109|74.100.68.109]] 02:18, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| so far the only enemy that can be definately confirmed in The Pandorica Opens are the "Cybus Cybermen". [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] 07:25, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Omega and the Dark Tower/Death Zone== | |
| To the best of my knowledge, the only source for Omega is "some video on YouTube said that someone on the set saw someone who looked like Omega come out of the Pandorica". (And I wasn't able to find such a video, but then I'm not sure what to search for.) Is that really enough to qualify as a rumor?
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| And the only source for the Dark Tower/Death Zone seems to be an anonymous blogger and a 13-year-old video blogger who both came to the conclusion that if there are lots of different enemies, the Death Zone is probably involved. The video blogger also based this on the hoaxed name for episode 13, "Enemies of a Time Lord".
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| If we're going to include these rumors at all, I think it's worth putting more than a fact tag. Maybe we could say that these are completely unsourced in mainstream media and are only the speculation of a few fans. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 07:24, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Crack in Time in City of Death ==
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| In the classic story 'City of Death', when Romana's picture changes into a broken clock, on the face of the clock is a crack, just like the crack seen this series.
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| :Please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes. Also, if you start your post with an extra space, it makes it unreadable. (I fixed this for you.) --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 08:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Edit war over synopsis==
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| [[User:Olilorry]] and [[User:The mysterious]] have been undoing and redoing the same change, at least 4 times in the past 2 hours, using either no edit comment, or the exact same one ("we need a more informal synopsis") each time. Here are the two versions:
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| :A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall… (ref)http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/date/2010/05 (/ref)
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| :A message on the oldest cliff-face in the universe, a puzzle box opening from the inside and a love that lasts thousands of years... The fates are drawing close around the Tardis – is this the day the Doctor falls?
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| I believe the former is copied straight out of the doctorwhotv.co.uk article given as a reference, while the latter is copied from the leaked Radio Times episode description.
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| Anyway, I'm hoping that people can come to some kind of consensus on the Talk page rather than continuing to edit war. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 08:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall…
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| A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall
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| To be honest my synopsis are better more info[[User:The mysterious|The mysterious]] 08:58, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :I agree, there is more information on your synopsis. But there's some that's in the other synopsis and not in yours. For example, yours doesn't mention the cliff-face or the puzzle box.
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| :More importantly, as I said, both seem to have been copied directly from other sites, and we really don't know who wrote them, so we may be violating someone's copyright.
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| :I think the best answer is to try to merge the two together into something original. But I'd have to look at what the Manual of Style says above synopses and/or look over the other episodes before I'd feel comfortable writing it, so I'm hoping someone else will come up with something that makes everyone happy while I sleep. :) --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 09:03, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :One more minor thing. Your ref tag links to the list of all blog posts in May. While the finale spoilers were probably at the top when you added it, by this point they're not even on the first page. On doctorwhotv.co.uk, it's better to use the permanent links (like http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/finale-spoilers-5888.htm in this case), which you can get (among other ways) by right-clicking the story title and copying the link. I'll change that for now. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 09:06, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| |I smartly combined both sypnosises into one, detailed version. The war has stopped!
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| [[User:Kerange|Kerange]] 22:02, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Rory ==
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| Please everyone do not delete Rory. People have done it, ignoring the fact that there's a link ''right next to his name'' that says that he's appearing. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 20:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :No, there is no link next to his name, either in Cast or in Companions.
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| :Two references have been given in the past to support this, but neither one actually does. The first states that Arthur Darvill, who plays Rory in season 5, will be part of a panel at BAFTA's pre-screening of the episode. The second states that Arthur Darvill appears in episode 13. Neither one says anything about Rory appearing in episode 12. If you have a new source, you haven't presented it anywhere. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 21:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Omega and the "nameless, terrible thing" ==
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| I removed the following two rumours:
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| *Omega could return after a video on YouTube said one of the set members mentioned him coming out of the Pandorica
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| *Omega has been rumoured to return on Youtube by a user named IJUSTSUBSCRIBENOW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBuw0Dsi_Sg . The video was posted on May 6, 2010. The user claims to know inside information on Doctor who. This maybe the only trustworthy news of Omega returning as the Youtuber's other videos mentioned about the return of the Timelords and Gallifrey back in July 01, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgYMIUYKzpE. And a video about the return of Rassilon back in June 23, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-owH6timQ . So this youtuber may well be worth listening to. - John Barrowman (Not the actor)
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| *An alleged leaked script for episodes 12 and 13 described some evil form of entity, describing a "nameless, terrible thing" soaked in the blood of galaxies, the most feared thing in the cosmos. This is thought to be referring to the ultimate "big bad" of the finale. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cameronkmcewan/4477193338/ There is also a fan rumour that the Pandorica opening refers to Pandora's box, with the same thing mentioning a puzzle box opening. It is thought that this opening of the box has something to do with the return of various enemies.
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| The first one was here in the past, with the exact same wording. Someone later edited it to just say "Omega will return" (with a fact tag). Since that shorter version is still there, there's no need for the long version, because it doesn't add any additional information. If someone could specify what video on YouTube is being talked about, or at least rewrite this into English (and what is a "set member"?), it might be useful, but as it is, it sounds like "I heard that someone said that someone said that Omega will return."
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| The first half of the second one has also been added in the past multiple times, with the same wording. I'm not sure why it's been deleted, because it seems relevant, but it shouldn't be added back without some discussion. On top of that, it's not accurate as written--a leaked Radio Times episode guide is not a leaked script.
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| The second half is a separate rumour, and probably doesn't need to be supported. I'll try to add it back in. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 10:26, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| : See http://www.radiotimes.com/blogs/910-doctor-who-steven-moffats-episode-guide/ as a source. [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:38, May 31, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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| The Quote ""There was a goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it -- one day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world." May very well refer to the Doctor, from the perspective of his enemies. The Doctor has been called a Trickster or Warrior on many occasions, and the "blood of a billion galaxies" would refer to the people who have died for him, or all the invading monsters he has destroyed, may even include the genocide of the Racnoss or Saturnynians. --Samuel 12:11, June 5, 2010
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| :<br /><br />Yet another synopsis to integrate?
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| The BBC issued [http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2010/wk25/sat.shtml a press release] that summarizes the two-part finale:
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| :Doctor Who – The Pandorica Opens Ep 12/13
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| :Time to be confirmed BBC ONE and BBC HD
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| :The Doctor’s friends unite to send him a terrible warning; the Pandorica – which is said to contain the most feared being in all the cosmos – is opening, as the time travelling drama continues. But what’s inside, and can the Doctor stop it?
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| :The Pandorica Opens is written by Steven Moffat and stars Matt Smith as the Doctor and Karen Gillan as Amy Pond.
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| :Doctor Who is simulcast on the BBC HD channel – the BBC’s high definition channel, available through Freesat 108, Freeview 50, Sky 143 and Virgin 108.
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| Odd that they call "Ep 12/13" together by one name. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 23:00, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
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| "Nameless,terrible thing"? Sounds like the doctor, don't you think? [[Special:Contributions/90.202.74.73|90.202.74.73]] 11:43, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
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| Maybe some version of the doctor, sort of like the dream lord... Or maybe the doctor himself since all of his enemies are gathered.. maybe they gathered to trap him inside the pandorica; but what's causing it to open? oh well i guess we'll have to wait till next week to know..[[Special:Contributions/91.73.110.104|91.73.110.104]] 21:02, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Time Lady==
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| It's said that a Time Lady played by Joanna Paige is going to apper, however the rumours were recently quached when the actress denied her involvment.[[User:Jfraser25|Jfraser25]] 02:02, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
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| Although it begs the question...are Time Lords in the Pandorica? Where some taken into the crack?
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| Perhaps what is in the Pandorica is The Doctor. [[User:ScoutDaddy70|ScoutDaddy70]] 17:00, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
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| The timelords disappeared into a white light, possibly not unlike a crack and they would be complicated space-time events.
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| == Synopsis ==
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| Olillorys synopsis is far better. Can we please leave it as that? [[User:Fan555|Fan555]] 10:20, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Tabitha Pond? ==
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| Before adding that Amy's mother's name is Tabitha Pond, please add a reliable source. So far there is absolutely no evidence so shouldn't be added to the page. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 20:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Brand New Pics!==
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| Hey guys, brand new and fresh from the BBC DW website, don't know if uploaded by mistake but TPO episode guide already up. I have managed to quickly scrounge the pic before it is removed :)
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| ==Previous Companions==
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| The Page states previous companions won't return as they haven't been seen on set but what about http://www.doctorwho.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16:doctor-who-sightings&catid=1:newsitems&Itemid=3
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| :But that can't be true, since it's obviously referencing ''The Beast Below'' - Amy in a night gown and Terrence Hardiman being a villain are both referenced in the article. The writer is either lying or has been mislead, IMO. [[User:The evil dude|The evil dude]][[User:The evil dude|.]] 21:07, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::I agree, it also loses credibility by saying that hardiman appeared in "The Evil Headmaster", when it is the "Demon Headmaster". [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|<font color="FireBrick" size="2px">'''''Hell'''''</font><font color="Crimson" size="2px">'''''Kaiser'''''</font><font color="FireBrick" size="2px">'''''ryo12'''''</font>]] ([[user_talk:Hellkaiserryo12|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Hellkaiserryo12|Contribs]]) 01:59, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Not to mention that the local news column that they used as a source was sure Billie Piper was in the episode as Rose and not just dropping by the say hi because she was clearly in-costume ''wearing a floral dress''. Have you ever seen Rose in anything remotely resembling a floral dress? Can you even imagine such a thing? --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 12:45, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==The Pandorica's Purpose==
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| Personally, I find that quote from the trailer VERY interesting;
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| "There was a goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it -- one day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world."
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| Am I the only one thinking that it could very well describe the Doctor from the perspective of his enemies?
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| Add in all his enemies coming together like this, and maybe the Pandorica doesn't contain ''anything ''yet; maybe the Doctor's arrived at the moment of the Pandorica's creation to become the creature that will be placed ''in ''it...?[[User:MarcusSLazarus|MarcusSLazarus]] 22:40, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Could well be the way his name was played up in the previous episode. [[Special:Contributions/83.104.138.141|83.104.138.141]] 23:15, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Pictures ==
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| Is there really any need for so many images? If we are to keep them, wouldn't it be better to put them in a gallery or one of the new slideshow things at the bottom of the page? {{User:Solar Dragon/Signature}} 14:57, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Oh, so you want RIDICULOUS theories, eh... ==
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| I only just got it pointed out to me that Philip Madoc appears in an undisclosed role in this story. While I realise he's a season Who actor and has had many parts, the one I remember most is as Doctor Solon, the acolyte of the renegade Time Lord, Morbius - the one who led the Time Lords against numerous innocent cultures before being destroyed so that Solon had to create for him a new body. What if Morbius, not Omega, is the evil Time Lord returning? What if the Pandorica was a resurrection machine, designed to rebuild his body, and hidden by Solon on Earth? What if all the monsters are being drawn there so that he can turn them into his new army?
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| Like I say. Ridiculous. [[User:DeadWalrus|DeadWalrus]] 15:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Please save your theories for the [[Forum:The Howling|forums]]. Thank-you. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 21:52, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| : The prisoner in the Pandorica being Morbius would be completely against all established canon AND everything of what little we know about the Finale. Morbius was unsuccessful in his attempt at domination, he and his army devastated Karn and a few other planets before being stopped before he was captured by the Time Lords and his body was disintigrated with only his brain surviving, which is later destroyed. That means that Morbius is well established as dead and CERTAINLY not 'soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies' or anything close to how the prisoner is described in the preview from the episode. Now I know that it is established that the Time Lords can resurrect people but that would have been something they had done fairly recently and the Pandorica has presumably been there for so long that it is a Fairly Tale even to the Time Lords, again making it pretty much impossible that it is actually Morbius, especially since the Doctor doesn't know who the prisoner is, beyond the legend, or so it sounds like, and the Doctor very definitely knows who Morbius is. Also, the description of the prisoner doesn't fit with Morbius' MO which is conquest and domination, not destruction which it sounds like the prisoner is all about. Now, of course, the ability of Time travel means that there are ways to explain how it COULD be Morbius, but they are all quite convoluted and I trust the writers are smart enough to know that if you have to do that kind of complicated explanation of why what they are doing goes against canon without actually disturbing canon then that is a bad set up and a bad idea.[[User:Doorofnight|Doorofnight]] 16:19, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Basecode of the Universe? ==
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| In one of the sections detailing clips from this and possibly episode thirteen, it says that 26/06/10 is the Basecode of the Universe. I think that has been misinterpreted, as River was saying that she could not read the 'basecode of the universe', whatever that is, and that the date was written in this rather than it being it. If that makes any sense.
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| Can I ask someone to change this please? [[Special:Contributions/81.129.93.166|81.129.93.166]] 16:56, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Cleopatra? ==
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| Quote: "In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra." This must be a '''very''' surprise visit, as Cleopatra died in 30BC!
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| Possibly 'Cleopatra' is really River Song - or is this a hint that time is becoming confused again? [[Special:Contributions/81.151.78.126|81.151.78.126]] 11:22, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Radio advert ==
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| Anyone hear the new radio advert? might be worth adding to the article.
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| == Just a Speculation on Rory ==
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| Just speculating this. In the article main picture, the guy in the purple robe could be Rory. It looks like him from the back. Just a thought. [[User:Kranitoko|Kranitoko]] ([[User talk:Kranitoko|talk]]) 13:28, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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