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| Title reference? '''[http://doctor-who-collectors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Tardis1963 <span style="background:#0E234E; color:white">Tardis1963</span>]''' 00:22, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Blood of the Cybermen == |
| | Just a quick something and I sure it's been discussed before, but under Production Errors, shouldn't we count Amy's lack of knowledge about the Cybermen when in the timeline of the Whoniverse, she actually met them in the Video Game: Blood of the Cybermen? Nevertheless, if there is an explanation for it, we should still list it as a bullet point and then we should give a possible explanation after it in italics. What do you reckon? |
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| The reference is on the series 5 article page, is it not? Plus, nearly every title this series that has been given beforehand has come true and the events of the finale were refered to as "The Pandorica Opens" in Flesh and Stone, and the title was given long before then. Heck, The Eleventh Hour title was given long before it aired, and people wouldn't accept it. The likliness is that this is the title, so let's stop being so damn highhorse. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 00:57, May 9, 2010 (UTC) | | :[[User:Thefartydoctor|<font color="blue">The</font><font color="silver">Farty</font><font color="red">Doctor</font>]] [[User talk:Thefartydoctor|<font color="green">talk</font>]] 15:15, September 24, 2011 (UTC) |
| | :The box inside the Production Errors section clearly says to use the [[Forum:Doctor Who television discontinuity and plot holes/The Pandorica Opens|Discontinuity discussion]]. -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 15:19, September 24, 2011 (UTC) |
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| | == These Cybermen are Mondas Cybermen? == |
| http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KTJWhtuRLac/S_2shtln0sI/AAAAAAAAKd0/QXC6maWezCY/s1600/finale2.png
| | I don't think these Cybermen are from Pete's world. That makes no sense. River Song said they had spaceships, implying they were from outer-space instead of an alternate reality. The new series "Pete's world" cybermen redesign has sort of replaced the old Mondas appearance. In "A Good Man Goes to War" the 12th Cyber Legion, who also should be Mondas Cybermen, appear as the new redesigned Pete's world models as well. Also, in the graphic novel "Assimilation2" the Mondas cybermen appear as Pete's World redesigns as well. |
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| == Ridiculous Rumours ==
| | I think it is safe to say these are Mondas Cybermen |
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| With this being the series finale, we are constantly going to be givin lots of rumours on the page, some which have been around for a while or some that we are going to have heard by someone who made up. We need to have all rumours sourced to help the page from getting constantly being barmbarded with pathetic rumours, if not they will be deleted. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 08:39, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Slitheen? == |
| | How did we determine that these were [[Slitheen]] specifically and not [[Raxacoricofallapatorian]]? I don't recall are narrative information to that effect. --[[User:ComicBookGoddess|ComicBookGoddess]] [[User talk:ComicBookGoddess|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:47, April 20, 2013 (UTC) |
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| Are you expecting the Rani rumours to surface like every other year? To be honest, there are pretty much few rumours this finale because of the lack of info. All we really know is something to do with a load of aliens featuring and Stonehenge and River Song. The only pure rumour is Omega. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 13:36, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
| | River specifically says "Slitheen".--[[User:Jasontank|Jasontank]] [[User talk:Jasontank|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:54, May 30, 2013 (UTC) |
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| ==For now and unmessyness== | | == unsourced cast == |
| Until it confirmed and the episode airs it is hard to determine which aliens who are appearing will be a villain/enemy so I have placed all confirmed appearances of previous aliens in the story notes section until it is actually confirmed who will be the villains as it helps to stop people messing with the infobox. -- [[User:Michael Downey|Michael Downey]] 11:54, May 22, 2010 (UTC).
| | Moving unsourced uncredited cast here until it can be '''properly''' sourced. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 05:39, November 6, 2016 (UTC) |
| | * Roman Extras - The Ermine Street Guard |
| | * Blowfish - Chris Barber |
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| ==Enemies==
| | Just rewatching the episode and I noticed a big error, in my opinion. When River goes to Amy's house, she finds a book of the romans which also happens to have a photo of Amy and Rory in it. If Rory had never existed that photo should not exist, unless the TARDIS is able to land into the original timeline that was not altered by Rory's death and subsequent erasure. Thoughts? |
| Just putting this here as I don't want to go putting it on every talk page of the enemies appearing. Shouldn't we wait until they appear before saying that they are an Eleventh Doctor enemy or appear in these episodes? It may just be a false rumour for all we know. Or a trick. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian;">[[User:Solar Dragon|<font color="green">The</font> <font color="red">Solar</font> <font color="blue">Dragon</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<font color="gold">Talk</font>]])</sup></span>☆ 21:35, May 22, 2010 (UTC) | |
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| It's not a rumours, it's actually supposed to be confirmed from those who get the biggest spoilers. They saw various filmimg images that revealed all of those enemies appearing in the finale, but they aren't aloud to make the pictures public until a certain date, or they could get into big trouble with the BBC. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 01:43, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
| | == Uncredited cast == |
| | | Moving uncredited cast here until it can be properly sourced. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:16, July 27, 2019 (UTC) |
| What if things that fall into the time cracks appear in the Pandorica? That would explain the Cybermen and Daleks?
| | * [[Dalek]]s/[[Cyberman (Pete's World)|Cybermen]] (voice) - [[Nicholas Briggs]] |
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| Why is it that people keep changing the enemies in the info box? [[User:Alpha111|Alpha111]] 20:27, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| i think that if you fall into a crack you are enlisted into the cracks cuasers army like daleks and cybermen and one pic of the aliens in harmony not fighting [[User:Drwhoworld|Drwhoworld]] 10:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| “There was a Goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it – one day it would just drop out of sky and tear down your world.”
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| Surely this is The Doctor.
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| The Doctor being dragged to the open Pandoricaby Roman soldiers. Various enemies seen standing around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsmXrhE2Hgk&feature=related. [[Special:Contributions/74.100.68.109|74.100.68.109]] 02:18, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| so far the only enemy that can be definately confirmed in The Pandorica Opens are the "Cybus Cybermen". [[User:Sclera1|Sclera1]] 07:25, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| It has been confirmed that all the monsters confirmed in the finale are playing enemies and not just monsters as newspapers say that they join forces to DESTROY the Doctor
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| ==Omega and the Dark Tower/Death Zone==
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| To the best of my knowledge, the only source for Omega is "some video on YouTube said that someone on the set saw someone who looked like Omega come out of the Pandorica". (And I wasn't able to find such a video, but then I'm not sure what to search for.) Is that really enough to qualify as a rumor?
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| And the only source for the Dark Tower/Death Zone seems to be an anonymous blogger and a 13-year-old video blogger who both came to the conclusion that if there are lots of different enemies, the Death Zone is probably involved. The video blogger also based this on the hoaxed name for episode 13, "Enemies of a Time Lord".
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| If we're going to include these rumors at all, I think it's worth putting more than a fact tag. Maybe we could say that these are completely unsourced in mainstream media and are only the speculation of a few fans. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 07:24, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Crack in Time in City of Death ==
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| In the classic story 'City of Death', when Romana's picture changes into a broken clock, on the face of the clock is a crack, just like the crack seen this series.
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| :Please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes. Also, if you start your post with an extra space, it makes it unreadable. (I fixed this for you.) --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 08:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Edit war over synopsis==
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| [[User:Olilorry]] and [[User:The mysterious]] have been undoing and redoing the same change, at least 4 times in the past 2 hours, using either no edit comment, or the exact same one ("we need a more informal synopsis") each time. Here are the two versions:
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| :A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall… (ref)http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/date/2010/05 (/ref)
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| :A message on the oldest cliff-face in the universe, a puzzle box opening from the inside and a love that lasts thousands of years... The fates are drawing close around the Tardis – is this the day the Doctor falls?
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| I believe the former is copied straight out of the doctorwhotv.co.uk article given as a reference, while the latter is copied from the leaked Radio Times episode description.
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| Anyway, I'm hoping that people can come to some kind of consensus on the Talk page rather than continuing to edit war. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 08:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall…
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| A Van Gogh painting is ferried across thousands of years, communicating a disturbing prophecy to the Doctor. In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra. Nearby, Stonehenge conceals the Pandorica, a prison-box of legend. As it slowly unlocks, terrible forces gather in the heavens above. What bearing do growing cracks in time and Amelia Pond’s bedroom, have on all of this? There is just one certainty: silence will fall
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| To be honest my synopsis are better more info[[User:The mysterious|The mysterious]] 08:58, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :I agree, there is more information on your synopsis. But there's some that's in the other synopsis and not in yours. For example, yours doesn't mention the cliff-face or the puzzle box.
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| :More importantly, as I said, both seem to have been copied directly from other sites, and we really don't know who wrote them, so we may be violating someone's copyright.
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| :I think the best answer is to try to merge the two together into something original. But I'd have to look at what the Manual of Style says above synopses and/or look over the other episodes before I'd feel comfortable writing it, so I'm hoping someone else will come up with something that makes everyone happy while I sleep. :) --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 09:03, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :One more minor thing. Your ref tag links to the list of all blog posts in May. While the finale spoilers were probably at the top when you added it, by this point they're not even on the first page. On doctorwhotv.co.uk, it's better to use the permanent links (like http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/finale-spoilers-5888.htm in this case), which you can get (among other ways) by right-clicking the story title and copying the link. I'll change that for now. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 09:06, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| |I smartly combined both sypnosises into one, detailed version. The war has stopped!
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| [[User:Kerange|Kerange]] 22:02, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Rory ==
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| Please everyone do not delete Rory. People have done it, ignoring the fact that there's a link ''right next to his name'' that says that he's appearing. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 20:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :No, there is no link next to his name, either in Cast or in Companions.
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| :Two references have been given in the past to support this, but neither one actually does. The first states that Arthur Darvill, who plays Rory in season 5, will be part of a panel at BAFTA's pre-screening of the episode. The second states that Arthur Darvill appears in episode 13. Neither one says anything about Rory appearing in episode 12. If you have a new source, you haven't presented it anywhere. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 21:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :The official Doctor Who website released pictures for The Pandorica Opens showing a man (who considerably looks like Rory). However, his back is to us. The Doctor Who fan/news site doctorwhotv.co.uk released pictures of a clear faced Rory dressed similarly to the man in the pictures on the official BBC website. [[User:VertigoSWAY|VertigoSWAY]] 18:01, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Omega and the "nameless, terrible thing" ==
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| I removed the following two rumours:
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| *Omega could return after a video on YouTube said one of the set members mentioned him coming out of the Pandorica
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| *Omega has been rumoured to return on Youtube by a user named IJUSTSUBSCRIBENOW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBuw0Dsi_Sg . The video was posted on May 6, 2010. The user claims to know inside information on Doctor who. This maybe the only trustworthy news of Omega returning as the Youtuber's other videos mentioned about the return of the Timelords and Gallifrey back in July 01, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgYMIUYKzpE. And a video about the return of Rassilon back in June 23, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8-owH6timQ . So this youtuber may well be worth listening to. - John Barrowman (Not the actor)
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| *An alleged leaked script for episodes 12 and 13 described some evil form of entity, describing a "nameless, terrible thing" soaked in the blood of galaxies, the most feared thing in the cosmos. This is thought to be referring to the ultimate "big bad" of the finale. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cameronkmcewan/4477193338/ There is also a fan rumour that the Pandorica opening refers to Pandora's box, with the same thing mentioning a puzzle box opening. It is thought that this opening of the box has something to do with the return of various enemies.
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| The first one was here in the past, with the exact same wording. Someone later edited it to just say "Omega will return" (with a fact tag). Since that shorter version is still there, there's no need for the long version, because it doesn't add any additional information. If someone could specify what video on YouTube is being talked about, or at least rewrite this into English (and what is a "set member"?), it might be useful, but as it is, it sounds like "I heard that someone said that someone said that Omega will return."
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| The first half of the second one has also been added in the past multiple times, with the same wording. I'm not sure why it's been deleted, because it seems relevant, but it shouldn't be added back without some discussion. On top of that, it's not accurate as written--a leaked Radio Times episode guide is not a leaked script.
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| The second half is a separate rumour, and probably doesn't need to be supported. I'll try to add it back in. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 10:26, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| : See http://www.radiotimes.com/blogs/910-doctor-who-steven-moffats-episode-guide/ as a source. [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:38, May 31, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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| The Quote ""There was a goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it -- one day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world." May very well refer to the Doctor, from the perspective of his enemies. The Doctor has been called a Trickster or Warrior on many occasions, and the "blood of a billion galaxies" would refer to the people who have died for him, or all the invading monsters he has destroyed, may even include the genocide of the Racnoss or Saturnynians. --Samuel 12:11, June 5, 2010
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| :<br /><br />Yet another synopsis to integrate?
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| The BBC issued [http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/2010/wk25/sat.shtml a press release] that summarizes the two-part finale:
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| :Time to be confirmed BBC ONE and BBC HD
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| :The Doctor’s friends unite to send him a terrible warning; the Pandorica – which is said to contain the most feared being in all the cosmos – is opening, as the time travelling drama continues. But what’s inside, and can the Doctor stop it?
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| :The Pandorica Opens is written by Steven Moffat and stars Matt Smith as the Doctor and Karen Gillan as Amy Pond.
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| :Doctor Who is simulcast on the BBC HD channel – the BBC’s high definition channel, available through Freesat 108, Freeview 50, Sky 143 and Virgin 108.
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| Odd that they call "Ep 12/13" together by one name. --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 23:00, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
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| "Nameless,terrible thing"? Sounds like the doctor, don't you think? [[Special:Contributions/90.202.74.73|90.202.74.73]] 11:43, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
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| Maybe some version of the doctor, sort of like the dream lord... Or maybe the doctor himself since all of his enemies are gathered.. maybe they gathered to trap him inside the pandorica; but what's causing it to open? oh well i guess we'll have to wait till next week to know..[[Special:Contributions/91.73.110.104|91.73.110.104]] 21:02, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Time Lady==
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| It's said that a Time Lady played by Joanna Paige is going to apper, however the rumours were recently quached when the actress denied her involvment.[[User:Jfraser25|Jfraser25]] 02:02, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
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| Although it begs the question...are Time Lords in the Pandorica? Where some taken into the crack?
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| Perhaps what is in the Pandorica is The Doctor. [[User:ScoutDaddy70|ScoutDaddy70]] 17:00, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
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| The timelords disappeared into a white light, possibly not unlike a crack and they would be complicated space-time events.
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| == who is in the pandorica ==
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| i highly belive omega is a huge possibility and could be in the next episode .but an even better thing that could be in it is the new regenerated version of the new master that the new writers have confirmed in reports on the radio staton in the uk they have mentioned that the master as well as omega will be coming back soon the radio station host as who was in the pandorica and they asked which is it the master or omega and the creators said you will have to wait and see so tommorow we will see.
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| == Tabitha Pond? ==
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| Before adding that Amy's mother's name is Tabitha Pond, please add a reliable source. So far there is absolutely no evidence so shouldn't be added to the page. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 20:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Brand New Pics!==
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| Hey guys, brand new and fresh from the BBC DW website, don't know if uploaded by mistake but TPO episode guide already up. I have managed to quickly scrounge the pic before it is removed :)
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| [[File:Ep12_bg.jpg]]Found a gr8 picture with the doctor holding a device in his hand (?) follow link if it wants 2 be put up http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/episodes/b00stv7m/galleries/the_pandorica_opens_wallpapers (image 2) [[User:K-9 mark 5|K-9 mark 5]] 17:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Previous Companions==
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| The Page states previous companions won't return as they haven't been seen on set but what about http://www.doctorwho.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16:doctor-who-sightings&catid=1:newsitems&Itemid=3
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| :But that can't be true, since it's obviously referencing ''The Beast Below'' - Amy in a night gown and Terrence Hardiman being a villain are both referenced in the article. The writer is either lying or has been mislead, IMO. [[User:The evil dude|The evil dude]][[User:The evil dude|.]] 21:07, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::I agree, it also loses credibility by saying that hardiman appeared in "The Evil Headmaster", when it is the "Demon Headmaster". [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|<font color="FireBrick" size="2px">'''''Hell'''''</font><font color="Crimson" size="2px">'''''Kaiser'''''</font><font color="FireBrick" size="2px">'''''ryo12'''''</font>]] ([[user_talk:Hellkaiserryo12|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Hellkaiserryo12|Contribs]]) 01:59, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Not to mention that the local news column that they used as a source was sure Billie Piper was in the episode as Rose and not just dropping by the say hi because she was clearly in-costume ''wearing a floral dress''. Have you ever seen Rose in anything remotely resembling a floral dress? Can you even imagine such a thing? --[[User:Falcotron|Falcotron]] 12:45, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==The Pandorica's Purpose==
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| Personally, I find that quote from the trailer VERY interesting;
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| "There was a goblin. Or a trickster, or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. Nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it -- one day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world."
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| Am I the only one thinking that it could very well describe the Doctor from the perspective of his enemies?
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| Add in all his enemies coming together like this, and maybe the Pandorica doesn't contain ''anything ''yet; maybe the Doctor's arrived at the moment of the Pandorica's creation to become the creature that will be placed ''in ''it...?[[User:MarcusSLazarus|MarcusSLazarus]] 22:40, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Could well be the way his name was played up in the previous episode. [[Special:Contributions/83.104.138.141|83.104.138.141]] 23:15, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Remember to cite your sources. You need a "Needs Citation" footnote after the line: "Karen Westwood, who is playing Amy's mother, is credited as playing Tabitha Pond by various reliable spoilers."
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| == Pictures ==
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| Is there really any need for so many images? If we are to keep them, wouldn't it be better to put them in a gallery or one of the new slideshow things at the bottom of the page? {{User:Solar Dragon/Signature}} 14:57, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Oh, so you want RIDICULOUS theories, eh... ==
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| I only just got it pointed out to me that Philip Madoc appears in an undisclosed role in this story. While I realise he's a season Who actor and has had many parts, the one I remember most is as Doctor Solon, the acolyte of the renegade Time Lord, Morbius - the one who led the Time Lords against numerous innocent cultures before being destroyed so that Solon had to create for him a new body. What if Morbius, not Omega, is the evil Time Lord returning? What if the Pandorica was a resurrection machine, designed to rebuild his body, and hidden by Solon on Earth? What if all the monsters are being drawn there so that he can turn them into his new army?
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| Like I say. Ridiculous. [[User:DeadWalrus|DeadWalrus]] 15:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Please save your theories for the [[Forum:The Howling|forums]]. Thank-you. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 21:52, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| : The prisoner in the Pandorica being Morbius would be completely against all established canon AND everything of what little we know about the Finale. Morbius was unsuccessful in his attempt at domination, he and his army devastated Karn and a few other planets before being stopped before he was captured by the Time Lords and his body was disintigrated with only his brain surviving, which is later destroyed. That means that Morbius is well established as dead and CERTAINLY not 'soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies' or anything close to how the prisoner is described in the preview from the episode. Now I know that it is established that the Time Lords can resurrect people but that would have been something they had done fairly recently and the Pandorica has presumably been there for so long that it is a Fairly Tale even to the Time Lords, again making it pretty much impossible that it is actually Morbius, especially since the Doctor doesn't know who the prisoner is, beyond the legend, or so it sounds like, and the Doctor very definitely knows who Morbius is. Also, the description of the prisoner doesn't fit with Morbius' MO which is conquest and domination, not destruction which it sounds like the prisoner is all about. Now, of course, the ability of Time travel means that there are ways to explain how it COULD be Morbius, but they are all quite convoluted and I trust the writers are smart enough to know that if you have to do that kind of complicated explanation of why what they are doing goes against canon without actually disturbing canon then that is a bad set up and a bad idea.[[User:Doorofnight|Doorofnight]] 16:19, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Plus, the Doctor already faced a reborn Morbius in the audios ''[[Sisters of the Flame]]''/''[[Vengeance of Morbius]]'' in his [[Eighth Doctor|eighth incarnation]], and Morbius pretty clearly died at the end of that confrontation (Actually, his resurrection was erased from history), and given the convulted and elaborate circumstances necessary for him to come back THEN, it's highly unlikely he's still around to be trapped in the Pandorica now. [[Omega]], maybe; Morbius, definitely not[[User:MarcusSLazarus|MarcusSLazarus]] 08:43, June 16, 2010 (UTC).
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| == Basecode of the Universe? ==
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| In one of the sections detailing clips from this and possibly episode thirteen, it says that 26/06/10 is the Basecode of the Universe. I think that has been misinterpreted, as River was saying that she could not read the 'basecode of the universe', whatever that is, and that the date was written in this rather than it being it. If that makes any sense.
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| Can I ask someone to change this please? [[Special:Contributions/81.129.93.166|81.129.93.166]] 16:56, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Cleopatra? ==
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| Quote: "In 102AD England, Romans receive a surprise visit from Cleopatra." This must be a '''very''' surprise visit, as Cleopatra died in 30BC!
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| Possibly 'Cleopatra' is really River Song - or is this a hint that time is becoming confused again? [[Special:Contributions/81.151.78.126|81.151.78.126]] 11:22, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| It is practically confirmed by bbc.co.uk/drwho that River Song is posing as Cleopatra. [[Special:Contributions/82.21.218.145|82.21.218.145]] 02:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Radio advert ==
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| Anyone hear the new radio advert? might be worth adding to the article.
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| == Just a Speculation on Rory ==
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| Just speculating this. In the article main picture, the guy in the purple robe could be Rory. It looks like him from the back. Just a thought. [[User:Kranitoko|Kranitoko]] ([[User talk:Kranitoko|talk]]) 13:28, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| According to someone who has seen some unreleased pictures showing the front of him, it is indeed Rory in that picture. I don't know if the picture has been released yet, but the ones showing the Weevils and stuff have been. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 17:37, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Zygons, Terileptils, Atraxi, Draconians? ==
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| Those races have just been added to the article as returning. Sources, please? [[User:The evil dude|The evil dude]][[User:The evil dude|.]] 14:32, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00stv7m . Here ya go. CANT WAIT OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG etc etc [[User:Fan555|Fan555]] 15:25, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Tardis? ==
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| It says on the page something about a blue peter competition but it is written very badly so i can't really tell what it means, can anyone else elaborate on what he/she's talking about? {{Unsigned-anon|92.18.165.198|18:13, June 16, 2010}}
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| :It means the Blue Peter competition to design a TARDIS to be used in this series. Since it hasn't been used yet, it will have to be this episode or The Big Bang. {{User:Solar Dragon/Signature}} 17:15, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| :??? but the whole point of the lodger IS a tardis (don't say it doesn't look like one, we've never seen an un-chameleoned tardis)
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| :it seems simle to me that it HAS already been used.
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| :Yes but the Tardis shown in the episode looks different to the tardis console that won the competition.
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| == Cybertrix? ==
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| Am i the only person who heard in the trailer instead of cybermen, cybertrix? cause that's what i hear everytime and i cannot get it to sound like cybermen. {{Unsigned-anon|92.18.165.198|18:19, June 16, 2010}}
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| sorry i get it now... anyone else going to put "cyberchips" on the page cause that's the only other word i can get out of this. {{Unsigned-anon|92.18.165.198|18:23, June 16, 2010}}
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| River says Cyber'''Ships'''! LOL! [[User:Liamhenney|Liamhenney]] 17:27, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| wow, the've made a technolodgical jump. unless that justmean airships. {{Unsigned-anon|92.18.165.198|18:30, June 16, 2010}}
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| yea thank though cause it seemed confusing to me, shouldn't we put that on the page? {{Unsigned-anon|92.18.165.198|18:32, June 16, 2010}}
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| :Not really. It isn't too important to be mentioned. Also, please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> {{User:Solar Dragon/Signature}} 17:37, June 16, 2010 (UTC)<br />
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| Are all Doctor Who viewers this stupid? Cyberships. A ship as in spaceship. Not a boat.
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| == Not all the mentioned will be appearing on-screen. ==
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| It shouldn be noted that a lot of old enemies are namechecked, but only a number of them are appearing. So far, the only known enemies who ''are'' appear on-screen in either part of the finale as Daleks, Cybermen, Silurians, Sycorax, Blowfish, Weevils, Uvodi Judoon, a Hoix, Sontarans, and a Roboform. A majority of the others are only mentioned, and their ships might be seen. Apparantly, the original Cybermen are mentioned (they're to do with the Cyberhsips), while the Cybusmen appear. This is, without a doubt, due to budgrt reasons.
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| Just don't get yuor hopes up if you honestly expect all of the enemies in continuity to appear. I think the Autons are deffinetly appearing on-screen, too. Last I heard, they wrre pitured in a promo. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 18:57, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Major Cleanup ==
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| This page needs a major cleanup. All the enemies in the infobox need to be removed until the episode airs as they could easily be taken out. Some of the story notes/rumours/continuity are duplicates and need to be fixed. Some of the story notes are still rumours at this point. In fact, until the episode airs, there should be nothing in the story notes, or continuity sections. At all. The trailers for the episode and the next time previews do not count as canon, so any information gained from them should be removed, as should any information from released pictures, as some of these scenes could easily be removed from the final episode. Does anyone agree. I know it is the finale, but really, it is a bit over the top and a lot of information, much of it repetitive. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 22:41, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| I had a go at cleaning up quite a lot of things in rumours and story notes. I made it so that story notes now contains basic confirmed spoiler info and not tons of things. I left the return of young Amelia, the enemies who will appear or be mention, the returning series 5 characters (Rive Song, Liz 10, Winston Chruchil, and van Gogh). Just the notable returnies for until the finale airs. Rumours is now the ever-so-popular return of Omega and original Cybermen, the Timoreen thing, and who the "united friends" might be.
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| But on that subject, not only did that interview confirmed Liz 10 and what not are coming back, but so did spoilerists, and another thing about the finale on my TV guide from today. It sia dsomething about van Gogh's painting beng passed through the centuries and people such as Liz 10, and Winston Chruchchill and River Song being in possestion of it as some point down the line. Something like that, anyway. A spoiler review somewhere (probably Outpost Gallifrey) also mentioned the events of each episode being revisited from a different perspective, which furhter fits with this info and would explain ther appearance. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 23:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Things That May appear in this episode ==
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| (moved from the Article Page)
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| Either from '''The Pandorica Opens''' or '''The Big Bang'''
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| #The Doctor, Amy and River Song running towards Stonehenge, where the Doctor uses the Sonic Screwdriver to scan something in the air.
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| #River telling the Roman Centurion, Claudio, "Your world has visitors", while dressed in a modern-day white fur coat.
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| #26/06/2010 apparently the "Basecode of the Universe".
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| #The Doctor, Amy, and River Song entering what might be a cave or temple while holding flaming torches.
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| #Amy fending off a damaged Cyberman with a flaming torch.
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| #The Doctor and Amy back to back in front of the Pandorica.
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| #A damaged Cyberman picking up a decapitated Cyber helmet.
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| #Roman soldiers seeing something strange above them.
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| #River Song saying, "You can't win this! You can't even fight it!"
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| #Amy being tied down and dragged somewhere by an anonymous enemy.
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| #Amy narrowly avoiding being stabbed by a sword breaking through a barrier.
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| #The Doctor holding Amy's hand as if he was escorting her out of the TARDIS.
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| #The Doctor giving a cheerful thumbs up to Amy, to which she gives one back with a confused, yet terrified face.
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| #Dozens of Cybermen standing together.
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| #The Doctor looking upwards at a light shining down on him while surronded by Roman soldiers.
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| #The Doctor, Amy, and River riding on horses in the countryside near Stonehenge.
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| #The Main Sontaran Ship, Sontaran pods, [[Dalek Saucer]]s, [[Judoon Rocket|Judoon Ships]], Other Alien transport and Stonehenge right below all of the ships.
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| #The Pandorica opening.
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| #A Roman Battle Field.
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| #The Doctor using his Sonic Screwdriver while walking down the stairs to the Pandorica Chamber.
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| #The Doctor lighting a torch with his Sonic Screwdriver.
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| #The Doctor, River and Amy entering the Pandorica Chamber.
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| #Amy Pond face to face with the head of a [[Cyberman (Pete's World)|Cybus Cyberman]], using the wires from its neck to attack her with.
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| #Armed men similar to police running to a door.
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| =====Continuity (Rumored)=====
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| *The Van Gogh painting would return as it had something to do with these events. ([[DW]]: ''[[Vincent and the Doctor]]'')
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| *Prisoner Zero and River Song (one who already experienced these events) previously mentioned the Pandorica opening. ([[DW]]:''[[The Eleventh Hour| The Eleventh Hour]]'', [[DW]]:[[Flesh and Stone| ''Flesh and Stone'']])
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| *The Cybus Cybermen last appeared in [[DW]]: ''[[The Next Doctor]]'', and also appeared in [[DW]]: ''[[Rise of the Cybermen]]''/''[[The Age of Steel]]'', ''[[Army of Ghosts]]''/''[[Doomsday]]'' and (as an incomplete "Cyberwoman") in [[TW]]: ''[[Cyberwoman]]''
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| *The new, [[Progenitor|non-Time War Daleks]] return since they were last seen in [[DW]]: ''[[Victory of the Daleks]]''
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| *Many other enemies are featured or mentioned, specifically by River Song in the trailer, including:
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| **The [[Sontarans]] ([[DW]]: ''[[The Time Warrior]]'', ''[[The Sontaran Experiment]]'', ''[[The Invasion of Time]]'', ''[[The Two Doctors]]'', [[The Sontaran Stratagem|''The Sontaran Stratagem'']]/[[The Poison Sky|''The Poison Sky'']], [[SJA]]: ''[[The Last Sontaran]]'', ''[[Enemy of the Bane]]'', [[DW]]:[[The End of Time|''The End of Time'']])
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| **The [[Judoon]] ([[DW]]: ''[[Smith and Jones]]'', ''[[The Stolen Earth]]'', [[SJA]]: ''[[Prisoner of the Judoon]]'', [[DW]]: ''[[The End of Time]]'')
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| **The [[Hoix |Hoix ]]([[DW]]: ''[[Love & Monsters]]'', [[TW]]: ''[[Exit Wounds]]'')
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| **The [[Weevils]] ([[TW]]: ''[[Everything Changes]]'', ''[[Day One]]'')
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| **The [[Blowfish]] ([[TW]]: ''[[Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang]]'', ''[[Fragments]]'')
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| **The [[Uvodni]] ([[SJA]]: ''[[Warriors of Kudlak]]'')
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| **The [[Sycorax]] ([[DW]]: ''[[The Christmas Invasion]]'', [[The Shakespeare Code|''The Shakespeare Code'']], ''[[The End of Time]]'')
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| **The [[Silurians]] ([[DW]]: ''[[Doctor Who and the Silurians]]'', ''[[Warriors of the Deep]]'', ''[[The Hungry Earth]]''/''[[Cold Blood]]'')
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| **The [[Nestene]] and [[Autons]] ([[DW]]:''[[Spearhead from Space]]'', ''[[Terror of the Autons]]'', ''[[Rose]]'')
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| **The [[Roboform]] ([[DW]]: ''[[The Christmas Invasion]]'', ''[[The Runaway Bride]]'')
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| **The [[Drahvin]]s ([[DW]]: ''[[Galaxy 4 (TV story)|Galaxy 4]]'')
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| **The [[Chelonians]] ([[NA]]: ''[[The Highest Science]]'', ''[[Zamper]],'' [[MA]]: ''[[The Well-Mannered War]]'', ''[[The Crystal Bucephalus]]'', ''[[The Empire of Glass]]'', [[DWM]]: ''[[The Last Word]]'', ''[[The Body Bank]], ''[[VD]]: ''[[Fegovy]])''
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| **The [[Zygon]]s ([[DW]]: ''[[Terror of the Zygons]]'')
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| **The [[Atraxi]] ([[DW]]: ''[[The Eleventh Hour]]'')
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| **The [[Terileptil]] ([[DW]]: ''[[The Visitation]]'')
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| **The [[Draconian]]s ([[DW]]: ''[[Frontier in Space]]'')
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| ====Rumored Cast====
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| *[[Rory Williams]] - [[Arthur Darvill]]
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| *[[Liz 10]] - [[Sophie Okonedo]]
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| *[[Winston Churchill]] - [[Ian McNeice]]
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| *[[Dorium]] - [[Simon Fisher-Becker]]
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| *TBA - [[Philip Madoc]]
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| *[[Claudio]] - [[Marcus O'Donovan]]
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| *[[Tabitha Pond]] (Amy's mother) - [[Karen Westwood]]
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| *[[Sharon (Series 5)|Aunt Sharon]] - [[Susan Vidler]]
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| *[[Dalek]]s/[[Cyberman (Pete's World)|Cybermen]]/[[Judoon]] (voice) - [[Nicholas Briggs]] | |
| *[[Strak|Commander Strak]] - [[Christopher Ryan]]
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| I Hope that makes the whole thing easier on everyone. It can be changed once the episode airs. In the meantime, i removed the "cleanup" tag 
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| -[[User:Jedman67|Jedman67]] 23:42, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| == the pandorica opens ==
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| the pandorica i think is a tardis or in fact a the pandorica is a tardis for a timelord ~JSM
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| == SFX teasers! ==
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| See http://www.sfx.co.uk/2010/06/17/doctor-who-preview-2/. Wowee [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 10:03, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| *Just before anyone starts listing them here, I want to point out that discussion of these should be in the forums. I'll create a page for them. [[Forum:The Pandorica Opens SFX Teasers|Here]] it is. [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 10:08, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| *Thanks Thirteenth Doctor, I've added DS teasers below and not listed them either, glad I did the right thing here [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:07, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Clip From The Episode==
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| The BBC website has released a clip from the episode at http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/funandgames/d11_s01_e12?category=jigsaws but is probably UK only.
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| [[User:Geek Mythology|Geek Mythology]] 17:46, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Digital Spy Teasers! ==
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| See http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s7/doctor-who/tubetalk/a228805/ten-teasers-about-the-pandorica-opens.html
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| As discussion of these belongs in the Howling. I' ve created a page for them but apologies don't know how to do a link to it but I'll attempt it, [[Forum:The Pandorica Opens DS Teasers]] Please feel free to amend [[Special:Contributions/86.26.137.154|86.26.137.154]] 07:01, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| == River song photo ==
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| Dont you think that this image of river looks like the background of Churchills Cabinet War Room's[[User:The mysterious|The mysterious]] 13:16, June 19, 2010 (UTC)[[File:Riversongfinale.jpg|thumb]]
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| == Theory of what The Pandorica is ==
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| What ever is in the Pandorica, it could be a weapon as different alien species all want to get it. This is what I think it would be used for if they got their hands, claws, tendrils, sink plungers on it:
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| Daleks: Use it to destroy all life in all Galaxys.
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| Cybermen: To show that if you do not convert, they will destroy you.
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| Judoon: Would use it to maintain Law enforcement.
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| Silurians: Would use it to destroy all humans off of the face of the Earth.
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| Sontarans: Would use it to destroy the Rutan host.
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| Slitheen: Would possibly use it to threaten other Raxicoricalfaliptorians in to not executing them.
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| Nestene Consciounsess: Would use it create a new homeworld, by removing the original inhabitants.
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| Zygons: Same as the Nestene Consciounsess
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| Chelonians: Being bred for war and having the contents of the Pandorica on their side no one would stand in their way.
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| Draconians: The sun shall never set upon their empire with the contents of the Pandorica on their side.
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| Uvodni: Would use it finish their war.
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| Other species such as; Weevils, Roboforms, Terileptils, Atraxi and Blowfish I'm not sure what they would use it for if you have any ideas please add on to this. [[User:Son of Icthar|Son of Icthar]] 15:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| My theory was proven wrong, but I'm not disappointed by it. [[User:Son of Icthar|Son of Icthar]] 18:45, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Rory==
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| Hy I'm new, I must ask did Rory turn into Auton--[[User:Jackr12|Jackr12]] 19:01, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| They (the bad guys from this episode a.k.a. [[The Alliance|the Alliance]]) took psychic residue from Amy's house (which included her memories) and then the Autons made an Auton which looked exactly like Rory. They gave the Auton Rory's memories. This way Rory could get close enough to Amy/The Doctor to kill her/him. (I don't know if Auton Rory was supposed to kill Amy.) --[[User:CGW|CGW]] 19:12, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| He didn't he was begging her to run and get away because he knew what he had to do, but was to much in love with Amy to let it happen poor Amy--[[User:Jackr12|Jackr12]] 19:16, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Cyber Head==
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| When the Cyber head attacked Amy, a skull dropped out, I thought that only the brain went into a cyberman and other organs, not a whole body. They only did it in Doomsday for an emergency? Also weren't all the the Cybus ones killed? [[User:Llamaman201|Llamaman201]] [[User talk:Llamaman201|(talk)]] 19:34, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| Well Maybe these Cybermen where special and maybe some cybermen escaped the void possibly because of the cracks--[[User:Jackr12|Jackr12]] 19:36, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Big Bang Trailer==
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| The Big Bang trailer will air at 21:11 (GMT) tonight on BBC One.
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| [[User:DBuddy|DBuddy]] 19:51, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Cybermen==
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| What makes everyone so sure the Cybermen in this episode are from Pete's World? I don't remember them having human skulls inside their head casing, or having Cyberships, or the ability to time travel and teleport, or even the ability to attack while in pieces. Couldn't they be the original Mondasian Cyberman, who look like the Cybus version by coincidence, or simply because the producers just didn't have the money for new costumes?[[User:The Nth Doctor|The Nth Doctor]] 20:11, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| The logo on their chests indicate them as Cybus. I suggest we wait until next episode before it is suggested that they are the Mondasian kind. [[User:The evil dude|The evil dude]][[User:The evil dude|.]] 20:13, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| == trailer ==
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| the trailer had nothing from the big bang in it just from the pandorica opens thats stupid so bbc are reaveling nothing? [[User:Bakuganamaxusreviews|JM BAKUGANAMAXUSREVIEW!]] 20:23, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| == So, how many enemies actually appeared... ==
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| Before we go off to all the enemy pages can we list here which ones actually appeared. I've noticed the blowfish page said that it appeared when I never saw it, did anyone else see it? [[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 20:39, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| :They and the Weevils were definitely present; they were seen in promo pics. However, I'm not quite sure if they were seen on screen. --[[User:Golden Monkey|Golden Monkey]] 20:41, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| I saw Sycorax, Silurians and Roboforms in the background of certain shots, for sure. I didn't see Uvodni, Blowfish and Weevils, however they are in promo pics so maybe we need to keep a close eye on the closing scenes. [[User:The evil dude|The evil dude]][[User:The evil dude|.]] 20:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Wait, scratch that, there's an Uvodni behind a Cyberman in this pic (only partially its face can be seen). [[User:The evil dude|The evil dude]][[User:The evil dude|.]][[User:The evil dude|.]] 20:48, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| [[File:The Alliance.jpg]]
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| == River's run ==
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| The locations visited at the start are given on screen as:
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| * France 1890
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| * Cabinet War Rooms, London 1941
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| * Stormcage Containment Facility 5145
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| * The Royal Collection 5145
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| * The Maldovarium 5145
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| I've just gone back and checked... [[User:TheKingOfWrong|TheKingOfWrong]] 20:46, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
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