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==Current logo==
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I have updated the main image to reflect the fact the new logo is now being used (DWM starts using it tomorrow, and the BBC is in the process of redesigning the website). That said, we still don't know for certain which version of the logo will be used on the TV show itself, so the present image may need to be changed to the horizontal version or even another variant once the show begins. For now we should just use the "vertical and TARDIS" version that was released by the BBC. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:13, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


==Font==
==Lettering won't work for Logo 12==
Does anyone know what font the 2010 logo uses and if it is available anywhere? [[User:Tardis1963|Tardis1963]] 09:47, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
The "Logo twelve a, b, c" etc isn't working. Since we know there will be at least 14 variants of the logo by the end of Series 7 and this may continue into Season 8 for all we know, it's too complex and, anyway, the basic logo is not changing other than the revision introduced in Asylum of the Daleks. Suggest instead a single "Logo Twelve" header to explain the basic changes and introduce the concept that the logo changes each episode, and then a gallery, with the captions explaining the changes under each image. Steal the template from one of the cover galleries for DWM or Radio Times. [[Special:Contributions/70.72.211.35|70.72.211.35]]<sup>[[User talk:70.72.211.35#top|talk to me]]</sup> 17:38, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


<p style="text-align:center">Yes, search for 'Matt Smith Doctor Who Font' on Google and there should be a link to Dafont. Go to it and click download... hope this helped! [[User:Yamhamdan|Yamhamdan]] 11:34, August 22, 2010 (UTC)</p>
==Rethink this whole article!==


==Logo 11 variant==
I think this entire article should be revised... it's turned into a page of titlecards, not logos. Case in point, the RTD era logo, the second "version" was in use from the beginning, but it was not changed in the titles until The Runaway Bride. They are not two separate logos though, the 05-06 one is just a ''variation'' of it.
Although basically the same, the on-screen title card version of the logo has a number of noticeable differences, enough for the version launched in 2009 to be considered a variant. I added it back into the mix since the October 2009 "variant" is being widely used on merchandise such as DWM. The version that appears on screen, however, should remain the definitive version. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 13:28, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
::Well, that's debatable. Don't know about "a number" of variations. There's only one; the size of the icon is larger in order to match the animation of the TARDIS itself. Whether we can call the texture of the thing an actual variant is less clear, in my mind. The reset of what you might be seeing simply is a trick of the eyes. You're not used to it being on a light background so it looks a bit "thinner", but there's no actual difference in the font.
::The whole section needs a top-down re-write, because information has simply been added as it has come along. It's basically a list of events as they happened, rather than a coherent history of the graphical device, written from the perspective of today. Section really needs a picture of this "two level wording" logo, cause that bit's really quite confusing without actually seeing a picture. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:07, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
::Also the grammar is atrocious. Several words repeated. Several sentences are actually fragments. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 17:21, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
::: I think someone messed around with the section at one point because there certainly weren't these problems the last time I edited it. In any event, I gave it a tweak because there was some outdated information. I agree we need to include the two-level variant which was the version widely circulated back in October. I'll dig around and see if I can find it. Either way, my point still stands that there are at least three variants of the logo in circulation: the two-level version the BBC released in October, the blue-on-black version being used for the books, DWM and DWA, and now the see-through version being used on TV. Whether the lettering is thinner or not is irrelevant. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 03:36, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
:::: OK, I added the 2-level variant image. I'm aware it carries a BBC watermark but it's the only version of this variant that I could find. If anyone has a non-watermarked version, feel free to replace it. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 03:41, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Cool. Thanks for upping the vertical one. Somewhere I read that that version had been officially retired, but I'll have to find that source.


:::::As a point of graphic design nomenclature, I'd rush in to point out that '''all''' versions of Logo 11 are transparent. The color of the background is irrelevant to their transparency. Were they not transparent, you couldn't apply the lighting effects with precision to the logo; the entire black background would have the same effects splashed across it. The light on the "TARDIS icon", and over the "W" in version one, are the only things that're ''semi-transparent'' — and that's only because that was in fact animation. If you'll remember the original 30-second clip that was released, these two elements moved. (What you've got up for the "2-level" design is a single frame in an animated sequence.)
Same with the Moffat logo. There have been three Moffat logos... the 2010-2012 DOCTOR DW WHO version, a variation being the version where DW is much larger than the rest of the text. The second is the blue DOCTOR WHO DW version, with BBC underneath, which was used from July to December 2012. And finally, the silver BBC DOCTOR WHO DW logo, which has been used since the release of Series 7: Part 1 on DVD/Blu-ray.


:::::The fact that the black is merely the background, and not a part of the logo, is proved by the books, DWM, and DWA. You say, above, that the "blue on black" logo is being used for the books, but that's evidently not true when you actually look at the books. They aren't blue on black. They're blue transparency with a black drop shadow, much like the new Tardis Index File logo. DWA's logo has a whisper-thin drop shadow, and DWM is somewhere in between the two. This "blue on black" version is really better described as the "blue" version, or maybe the 2D version. Graphic artists wouldn't consider shadows to be a part of the design, because those are actually applied contextually and on-the-fly. The thing that's interesting about this logo is how potentially versatile it is. Unlike the RTD version — which, save its use on ''Confidential'', was always used in an orangey way because it would have been a nightmare to change — this Moffat version can easily be any color you want it to be. It's kinda like the Tom Baker era version, which could be taken apart and re-colored as much as manufacturers wanted to. It was orange, black, blue, purple, and green on Target novelizations, for instance. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see something similar being done to this Moffat logo as we progress through the Matt Smith years — especially since the TV logo has already broken with the coloring they gave to manufacturers. I bet money that within the next year, we're gonna see a non-blue logo on DWM or DWA — unless they're contractually obligated to use blue.
The latest version in The Snowmen is not a new logo, it is simply the latest titlecard.


:::::As yet another aside, every logo ''ever'' used since 1963 has been transparent to some degree. Even the most "solid" of them — like the RTD era (9 & 10) and 74-79 (5) ones — have had weird angles that could only have been achieved through transparency. It would be relatively insane to make a ''non''-transparent logo, because that means you couldn't easily change it as needed. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 00:43, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
:I mostly agree with you. But both Series 7 logos, although the same font as from Series 5 and 6, do not feature the DW TARDIS logo in the middle. I think just that qualifies it as a new logo. It's a different logo with the same font that's all. And the 7 Part 2 logo introduced in The Snowmen is the latest version of the Series 7 logo.
:While I do agree that logos 9 and 10 are really just 2 versions of 9, I can see where whoever put it there was going:
:If you look through the article, it seems that every Doctor had their own logo, also meaning that each logo number also corresponded with the Doctor number. While Tennant ''did'' get a ''change'' in the logo, he didn't technically get a new logo, just a variation of the previous one. It definitely ''is'' more pleasing to the eye and to some perfectionism who wrote the title for that section. [[User:SmallerOnTheOutside|SmallerOnTheOutside]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:42, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


* Interesting points. In the category of "it was right in front of us all the time but we didn't notice", however, the TV version of the logo is undeniably a variant because of the size of the "Doctor Who" words in relation to the DW. The "blue version" has the letters almost as tall as the DW, while the TV version (silver version?) has them considerably shorter. I honestly didn't notice until I was casually reading the article over just now! It's interesting that the "two-level" version was retired. That places it in the category of "abandoned logos" -- if you can find the source, please do add it. As far as the other two version (TV and merchandise), I think calling the non-TV one the Blue Logo might be a way around the nomenclature issue; the TV once could be called the Silver Logo. (This assumes of course licensees don't start messing about with the color the way DWM and others did with Logos 9 and 10). [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:35, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
::I would say that the version in the titles for series 7 onwards is an interpretation/variation of the logos that were introduced this year; although they don't have the DW in them, they are basically treating the words and the symbol as two separate things (7A still has the DW, I would say the way that is arranged is akin to how it is on magazines, there on the page, but not necessary...I guess my argument falls down there a bit, as we haven't yet seen just the words on their own... looks like we might eventually though: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Tardis-Richard-Dinnick/dp/0762449306/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356823077&sr=1-1 Not the best example as they also use the July-Dec version as well). The version in The Snowman is not a faithful recreation of the new silver one, and I don't think it's meant to be...it's just the latest "themed" one, silvery white to match the snow. I suspect the similar colour coincidentally looks similar to the new "brand" logo.
==Logo 11 criticism==
 
It's fair enough to say the new logo has been criticised -- has any logo been universally accepted -- but we need to include a source to back this up. Is there a fan site, blog, BBC News story, magazine article supporting this? [[Special:Contributions/68.146.81.123|68.146.81.123]] 23:18, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
::This is how I would change the page:
==Confidential Logo==
 
I have noticed that the 11th doctor's logo that is featured on merchandise is in fact used on screen, as the confidential logo, albeit a different tecture and confidential wording underneath. I am wondering to edit the article, as it may cause a few disputes. [[User:Yamhamdan|Yamhamdan]] 11:34, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
::Logo Nine: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/shop4peace/1290041/930/original.jpg http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor-who-logo-nine.jpg http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor-who-logo-ten.jpg
 
::Logo Ten: http://www.scififx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Doctor-Who-logo-black-background11.jpg http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aoltv.com/media/2010/10/doctorwhologo-1288117259.jpg http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor-who-logo-eleven.jpg http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor-who-logo-twelve.jpg
 
::Logo Eleven: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VdMryHGHVao/T-3dUPXfVZI/AAAAAAAABCI/pmUh4XoKrXw/s1600/599422_490924567588242_727939426_n.jpg and the series 7A titlecards, as they include the DW afterwards, so its basically the way the designers have chosen to portray it, as two separate elements
 
::Logo Twelve: http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1484828.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Doctor+Who+-+Series+7:+part+1 http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Series_7_The_Snowmen_Logo.png
 
::[[Special:Contributions/90.222.61.90|90.222.61.90]]<sup>[[User talk:90.222.61.90#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:20, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
== upload logo 10; 2.3 Expansion ==
 
Somebody should upload logo 10 . I know it is on the wiki because I have seen it on other pages of the wiki. I can not because I am to young .
 
The link to the font guide by andrew orton is gone. This article covers the title fonts well but is there an archive of the image for those interested in the credits fonts? [[Special:Contributions/114.30.107.41|114.30.107.41]]<sup>[[User talk:114.30.107.41#top|talk to me]]</sup> 10:28, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if this is what you're asking for, but you can check out [[:Category:Real world logos]] to see what's there. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:16, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

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Lettering won't work for Logo 12[[edit source]]

The "Logo twelve a, b, c" etc isn't working. Since we know there will be at least 14 variants of the logo by the end of Series 7 and this may continue into Season 8 for all we know, it's too complex and, anyway, the basic logo is not changing other than the revision introduced in Asylum of the Daleks. Suggest instead a single "Logo Twelve" header to explain the basic changes and introduce the concept that the logo changes each episode, and then a gallery, with the captions explaining the changes under each image. Steal the template from one of the cover galleries for DWM or Radio Times. 70.72.211.35talk to me 17:38, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Rethink this whole article![[edit source]]

I think this entire article should be revised... it's turned into a page of titlecards, not logos. Case in point, the RTD era logo, the second "version" was in use from the beginning, but it was not changed in the titles until The Runaway Bride. They are not two separate logos though, the 05-06 one is just a variation of it.

Same with the Moffat logo. There have been three Moffat logos... the 2010-2012 DOCTOR DW WHO version, a variation being the version where DW is much larger than the rest of the text. The second is the blue DOCTOR WHO DW version, with BBC underneath, which was used from July to December 2012. And finally, the silver BBC DOCTOR WHO DW logo, which has been used since the release of Series 7: Part 1 on DVD/Blu-ray.

The latest version in The Snowmen is not a new logo, it is simply the latest titlecard.

I mostly agree with you. But both Series 7 logos, although the same font as from Series 5 and 6, do not feature the DW TARDIS logo in the middle. I think just that qualifies it as a new logo. It's a different logo with the same font that's all. And the 7 Part 2 logo introduced in The Snowmen is the latest version of the Series 7 logo.
While I do agree that logos 9 and 10 are really just 2 versions of 9, I can see where whoever put it there was going:
If you look through the article, it seems that every Doctor had their own logo, also meaning that each logo number also corresponded with the Doctor number. While Tennant did get a change in the logo, he didn't technically get a new logo, just a variation of the previous one. It definitely is more pleasing to the eye and to some perfectionism who wrote the title for that section. SmallerOnTheOutside ☎ 21:42, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
I would say that the version in the titles for series 7 onwards is an interpretation/variation of the logos that were introduced this year; although they don't have the DW in them, they are basically treating the words and the symbol as two separate things (7A still has the DW, I would say the way that is arranged is akin to how it is on magazines, there on the page, but not necessary...I guess my argument falls down there a bit, as we haven't yet seen just the words on their own... looks like we might eventually though: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-Tardis-Richard-Dinnick/dp/0762449306/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356823077&sr=1-1 Not the best example as they also use the July-Dec version as well). The version in The Snowman is not a faithful recreation of the new silver one, and I don't think it's meant to be...it's just the latest "themed" one, silvery white to match the snow. I suspect the similar colour coincidentally looks similar to the new "brand" logo.
This is how I would change the page:
Logo Nine: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/shop4peace/1290041/930/original.jpg http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor-who-logo-nine.jpg http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor-who-logo-ten.jpg
Logo Ten: http://www.scififx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Doctor-Who-logo-black-background11.jpg http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aoltv.com/media/2010/10/doctorwhologo-1288117259.jpg http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor-who-logo-eleven.jpg http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Doctor-who-logo-twelve.jpg
Logo Eleven: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VdMryHGHVao/T-3dUPXfVZI/AAAAAAAABCI/pmUh4XoKrXw/s1600/599422_490924567588242_727939426_n.jpg and the series 7A titlecards, as they include the DW afterwards, so its basically the way the designers have chosen to portray it, as two separate elements
Logo Twelve: http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1484828.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Doctor+Who+-+Series+7:+part+1 http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:Series_7_The_Snowmen_Logo.png
90.222.61.90talk to me 23:20, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

upload logo 10; 2.3 Expansion[[edit source]]

Somebody should upload logo 10 . I know it is on the wiki because I have seen it on other pages of the wiki. I can not because I am to young .

The link to the font guide by andrew orton is gone. This article covers the title fonts well but is there an archive of the image for those interested in the credits fonts? 114.30.107.41talk to me 10:28, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is what you're asking for, but you can check out Category:Real world logos to see what's there. Shambala108 ☎ 15:16, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
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