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Should Owen really be listed as being immortal? The page defines immortality as the ability to live forever, and that's kind of the opposite of what happenned to Owen, isn't it. Apart from that, we know that Owen was able to die before long, and Martha said that she didn't know how long he would stay "alive". The entire time he was undead, he was at risk of dropping dead at any moment.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 17:49, September 3, 2011 (UTC) | Should Owen really be listed as being immortal? The page defines immortality as the ability to live forever, and that's kind of the opposite of what happenned to Owen, isn't it. Apart from that, we know that Owen was able to die before long, and Martha said that she didn't know how long he would stay "alive". The entire time he was undead, he was at risk of dropping dead at any moment.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 17:49, September 3, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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Why is the Doctor shown on the image, Time Lords are not immortal, unless your referring to [[Rassilon]]'s immortality, but that's certainly not what the image is representing. The article doesn't say they are, so I don't know why the author of the image seems to think this is the case. | Why is the Doctor shown on the image, Time Lords are not immortal, unless your referring to [[Rassilon]]'s immortality, but that's certainly not what the image is representing. The article doesn't say they are, so I don't know why the author of the image seems to think this is the case. | ||
The mortality of Time Lords has always been pivotal to ''Who'' stories, be it [[the Master]]'s quest for new life in ''[[The Deadly Assassin]]'' or [[Borusa]]'s search for the aforementioned immortality of Rassilon, or "true immortality" as ''[[The Five Doctors]]'' calls it. Basically, my point is, Time Lords are ''not'' immortal, so the Doctor needs to be removed from this image.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 20:35, September 6, 2011 (UTC) | The mortality of Time Lords has always been pivotal to ''Who'' stories, be it [[the Master]]'s quest for new life in ''[[The Deadly Assassin]]'' or [[Borusa]]'s search for the aforementioned immortality of Rassilon, or "true immortality" as ''[[The Five Doctors (TV story)|The Five Doctors]]'' calls it. Basically, my point is, Time Lords are ''not'' immortal, so the Doctor needs to be removed from this image.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 20:35, September 6, 2011 (UTC) | ||
If we must keep 4 images up at the top, then why not replace the Doctor with one of the statues from ''The Five Doctors''.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 22:15, September 6, 2011 (UTC) | If we must keep 4 images up at the top, then why not replace the Doctor with one of the statues from ''The Five Doctors''.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 22:15, September 6, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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That's a completely different thing. There you are talking about companion'''s'''. There are more than one so you can't really represent them all with a single image. Here you are just talking about the concept of immortality. Hardly a broad subject by any stretch and definitely not in need of multiple images. Even if you could draw parallels between the two, are you saying because one page uses such an image, all of them should?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:33, September 7, 2011 (UTC) | That's a completely different thing. There you are talking about companion'''s'''. There are more than one so you can't really represent them all with a single image. Here you are just talking about the concept of immortality. Hardly a broad subject by any stretch and definitely not in need of multiple images. Even if you could draw parallels between the two, are you saying because one page uses such an image, all of them should?--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 15:33, September 7, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Not all article images have to follow the same cues. | :Not all article images have to follow the same cues. | ||
:Also the images MrThermomanPreacher for the images are far too debatable given immortality's wide definition, but very few actual firm displays of it. Most examples are "lived a long time" and attempts to live for ever, rather than actually living forever. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:37, September 7, 2011 (UTC) | :Also the images MrThermomanPreacher for the images are far too debatable given immortality's wide definition, but very few actual firm displays of it. Most examples are "lived a long time" and attempts to live for ever, rather than actually living forever. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:37, September 7, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Even though they said that he was immotal i nthe episode, isn't he probably dead now anyway. Even as a statue, how would he survive the destruction of galifrye?[[Special:Contributions/138.78.102.102|138.78.102.102]] 22:46, September 13, 2011 (UTC) | |||
Well, he was actually freed in ''[[The Eight Doctors]]'', but I assume he's dead now. Shame really--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 11:25, September 17, 2011 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 05:36, 17 September 2012
Owen[[edit source]]
Should Owen really be listed as being immortal? The page defines immortality as the ability to live forever, and that's kind of the opposite of what happenned to Owen, isn't it. Apart from that, we know that Owen was able to die before long, and Martha said that she didn't know how long he would stay "alive". The entire time he was undead, he was at risk of dropping dead at any moment.Icecreamdif 17:49, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
- For the reasons listed above (and more), the information pertaining to Owen has been removed.--Skittles the hog - talk 20:46, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Images[[edit source]]
Why is it that suddenly no topic can be represented with just one main picture. Apart from the fact that regeneration isn't immortality(and the regeneration in that picture didn't go so well), the concept of imomortality can really be represented with just one picture. I would keep the picture of Jack as the main image since he is pretty much the only thing that's truly immortal (Cybermen can die and we can assume the Miracle will end on Friday), and then the Cybermen and suicide bomber images can be put in the body of the article.Icecreamdif 20:33, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Time Lords are not immortal[[edit source]]
Why is the Doctor shown on the image, Time Lords are not immortal, unless your referring to Rassilon's immortality, but that's certainly not what the image is representing. The article doesn't say they are, so I don't know why the author of the image seems to think this is the case.
The mortality of Time Lords has always been pivotal to Who stories, be it the Master's quest for new life in The Deadly Assassin or Borusa's search for the aforementioned immortality of Rassilon, or "true immortality" as The Five Doctors calls it. Basically, my point is, Time Lords are not immortal, so the Doctor needs to be removed from this image.--Skittles the hog - talk 20:35, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
If we must keep 4 images up at the top, then why not replace the Doctor with one of the statues from The Five Doctors.Icecreamdif 22:15, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
- We could do, but I agree with your original point. Why the four images? In fact, an image of one of the statues could probably sum this up. I might have one actually... --Skittles the hog - talk 07:08, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
- What about the companions page? The image there is what inspired me to put the image on this page. --MrThermomanPreacher 15:26, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
That's a completely different thing. There you are talking about companions. There are more than one so you can't really represent them all with a single image. Here you are just talking about the concept of immortality. Hardly a broad subject by any stretch and definitely not in need of multiple images. Even if you could draw parallels between the two, are you saying because one page uses such an image, all of them should?--Skittles the hog - talk 15:33, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Not all article images have to follow the same cues.
- Also the images MrThermomanPreacher for the images are far too debatable given immortality's wide definition, but very few actual firm displays of it. Most examples are "lived a long time" and attempts to live for ever, rather than actually living forever. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:37, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Even though they said that he was immotal i nthe episode, isn't he probably dead now anyway. Even as a statue, how would he survive the destruction of galifrye?138.78.102.102 22:46, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Well, he was actually freed in The Eight Doctors, but I assume he's dead now. Shame really--Skittles the hog - talk 11:25, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
