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So I have created a new Category recently, entitled [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Possibly_Non-canonical_stories Possibly Non-canonical stories]. It was created for stories that are possibly non-cannon, because they cantradict other stories, or break a wall that seperates the Real world (where you and I are) and the Doctor Who world. (for instance, I dobt that there is a single whovian out there that has doubted than Cannonicity of the [[John and Gillian]] comics.) I have been informed, however, that before this idea is passed, that I need to talk it over with the group, and that those in higher power do not approve. [[User:OttselSpy25|OttselSpy25]] <sup>[[User talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me]]</sup> 17:24, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | So I have created a new Category recently, entitled [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Possibly_Non-canonical_stories Possibly Non-canonical stories]. It was created for stories that are possibly non-cannon, because they cantradict other stories, or break a wall that seperates the Real world (where you and I are) and the Doctor Who world. (for instance, I dobt that there is a single whovian out there that has doubted than Cannonicity of the [[John Who|John]] and [[Gillian Who|Gillian]] comics.) I have been informed, however, that before this idea is passed, that I need to talk it over with the group, and that those in higher power do not approve. [[User:OttselSpy25|OttselSpy25]] <sup>[[User talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me]]</sup> 17:24, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:For the record, I deleted the category as it something of a big change to claim that all these stories are "possibly non-canonical". Furthermore, I did not sat that "those in higher power do not approve" - my exact words were "I for one am strongly against the idea". I just think this comes down to personal opinion and you can't really profess to be an encyclopaedia if you pick and choose the bits that make sense.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 17:28, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | :For the record, I deleted the category as it's something of a big change to claim that all these stories are "possibly non-canonical". Furthermore, I did not sat that "those in higher power do not approve" - my exact words were "I for one am strongly against the idea". I just think this comes down to personal opinion and you can't really profess to be an encyclopaedia if you pick and choose the bits that make sense.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 17:28, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | ||
::Well, actually, thank you very much. I was hoping someone would delete it. And, uh, sorry that I appear to have offended you with the "higher in power" statement, I completely understand how that must have felt to you. Have a nice day, then. [[User:OttselSpy25|OttselSpy25]] <sup>[[User talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me]]</sup> 17:37, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | ::Well, actually, thank you very much. I was hoping someone would delete it. And, uh, sorry that I appear to have offended you with the "higher in power" statement, I completely understand how that must have felt to you. Have a nice day, then. [[User:OttselSpy25|OttselSpy25]] <sup>[[User talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me]]</sup> 17:37, October 12, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:::So did you delete the ''references'' to the category, or just the category itself? That is, are we stuck with a lot of pages which need to have those cats removed? If so, lemme know. Because this is a no-go. Categories are meaningless unless they declare something unambiguously. [[:category:Restaurants]] is for things that are restaurants; not for things which ''might be'' restaurants. If we start down the road of adding adverbs to category names, we're on a very slippery slope indeed. Plus, you're kinda wrong about the J&G stroies being ''possibly'' non-canonical. They're fully canonical — not only by the rules of this wiki, but by virtue of ''[[The Land of Happy Endings]]''. The explicit point of that narrative was to honour the artists of the 1960s by bringing their work into the continuity of the DWM run by suggesting that the Eighth Doctor ''regularly'' dreamed of J&G. Take a look at the last page again; it's pretty clear. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | :::So did you delete the ''references'' to the category, or just the category itself? That is, are we stuck with a lot of pages which need to have those cats removed? If so, lemme know. Because this is a no-go. Categories are meaningless unless they declare something unambiguously. [[:category:Restaurants]] is for things that are restaurants; not for things which ''might be'' restaurants. If we start down the road of adding adverbs to category names, we're on a very slippery slope indeed. Plus, you're kinda wrong about the J&G stroies being ''possibly'' non-canonical. They're fully canonical — not only by the rules of this wiki, but by virtue of ''[[The Land of Happy Endings]]''. The explicit point of that narrative was to honour the artists of the 1960s by bringing their work into the continuity of the DWM run by suggesting that the Eighth Doctor ''regularly'' dreamed of J&G. Take a look at the last page again; it's pretty clear. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:42: Wed 12 Oct 2011 </span> | ||
::::It does appear there's lots of articles stuck with categories that needed removing. | ::::It does appear there's lots of articles stuck with categories that needed removing. | ||
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:It may behoove us to mention ''why'' this sort of thing is frowned upon; we have [[Tardis:Canon policy]] which is quite clear about what is and isn't canon on this wiki, and there's a very good reason for that. | :It may behoove us to mention ''why'' this sort of thing is frowned upon; we have [[Tardis:Canon policy]] which is quite clear about what is and isn't canon on this wiki, and there's a very good reason for that. | ||
:''Doctor Who'' canon is of course a fluid issue which varies in the mind of the individual, and people are free to accept or reject things differently to how this wiki does, but for the purposes of creating a cohesive reference work on this wiki we have to have a very clear distinction between what is or isn't covered by it. In terms of stories covered by the TARDIS Index File, there is no such thing as "possibly non-canon;" as spelled out by our Canon Policy a story is either canon or it is not, and covered by or excluded from this wiki accordingly. — [[User:Rob T Firefly|Rob T Firefly]] - '''[[User talk:Rob T Firefly|Δ]][[Special:Contributions/Rob T Firefly|∇]]''' - 07:53, October 14, 2011 (UTC) | :''Doctor Who'' canon is of course a fluid issue which varies in the mind of the individual, and people are free to accept or reject things differently to how this wiki does, but for the purposes of creating a cohesive reference work on this wiki we have to have a very clear distinction between what is or isn't covered by it. In terms of stories covered by the TARDIS Index File, there is no such thing as "possibly non-canon;" as spelled out by our Canon Policy a story is either canon or it is not, and covered by or excluded from this wiki accordingly. Allowing any sort of grey area between this wiki's implementations of canon and non-canon would greatly complicate that. — [[User:Rob T Firefly|Rob T Firefly]] - '''[[User talk:Rob T Firefly|Δ]][[Special:Contributions/Rob T Firefly|∇]]''' - 07:53, October 14, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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So I have created a new Category recently, entitled Possibly Non-canonical stories. It was created for stories that are possibly non-cannon, because they cantradict other stories, or break a wall that seperates the Real world (where you and I are) and the Doctor Who world. (for instance, I dobt that there is a single whovian out there that has doubted than Cannonicity of the John and Gillian comics.) I have been informed, however, that before this idea is passed, that I need to talk it over with the group, and that those in higher power do not approve. OttselSpy25 talk to me 17:24, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
- For the record, I deleted the category as it's something of a big change to claim that all these stories are "possibly non-canonical". Furthermore, I did not sat that "those in higher power do not approve" - my exact words were "I for one am strongly against the idea". I just think this comes down to personal opinion and you can't really profess to be an encyclopaedia if you pick and choose the bits that make sense.--Skittles the hog - talk 17:28, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, actually, thank you very much. I was hoping someone would delete it. And, uh, sorry that I appear to have offended you with the "higher in power" statement, I completely understand how that must have felt to you. Have a nice day, then. OttselSpy25 talk to me 17:37, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
- So did you delete the references to the category, or just the category itself? That is, are we stuck with a lot of pages which need to have those cats removed? If so, lemme know. Because this is a no-go. Categories are meaningless unless they declare something unambiguously. category:Restaurants is for things that are restaurants; not for things which might be restaurants. If we start down the road of adding adverbs to category names, we're on a very slippery slope indeed. Plus, you're kinda wrong about the J&G stroies being possibly non-canonical. They're fully canonical — not only by the rules of this wiki, but by virtue of The Land of Happy Endings. The explicit point of that narrative was to honour the artists of the 1960s by bringing their work into the continuity of the DWM run by suggesting that the Eighth Doctor regularly dreamed of J&G. Take a look at the last page again; it's pretty clear.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 18:42: Wed 12 Oct 2011
- So did you delete the references to the category, or just the category itself? That is, are we stuck with a lot of pages which need to have those cats removed? If so, lemme know. Because this is a no-go. Categories are meaningless unless they declare something unambiguously. category:Restaurants is for things that are restaurants; not for things which might be restaurants. If we start down the road of adding adverbs to category names, we're on a very slippery slope indeed. Plus, you're kinda wrong about the J&G stroies being possibly non-canonical. They're fully canonical — not only by the rules of this wiki, but by virtue of The Land of Happy Endings. The explicit point of that narrative was to honour the artists of the 1960s by bringing their work into the continuity of the DWM run by suggesting that the Eighth Doctor regularly dreamed of J&G. Take a look at the last page again; it's pretty clear.
- Well, actually, thank you very much. I was hoping someone would delete it. And, uh, sorry that I appear to have offended you with the "higher in power" statement, I completely understand how that must have felt to you. Have a nice day, then. OttselSpy25 talk to me 17:37, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
- It does appear there's lots of articles stuck with categories that needed removing.
- I've removed them manually, yes, I know, bot and all that, easy to do without manual editing. But it gives me a reason to look at stories I'd likely not get around to looking at. 27 isn't that many. --Tangerineduel / talk 14:48, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
- It may behoove us to mention why this sort of thing is frowned upon; we have Tardis:Canon policy which is quite clear about what is and isn't canon on this wiki, and there's a very good reason for that.
- Doctor Who canon is of course a fluid issue which varies in the mind of the individual, and people are free to accept or reject things differently to how this wiki does, but for the purposes of creating a cohesive reference work on this wiki we have to have a very clear distinction between what is or isn't covered by it. In terms of stories covered by the TARDIS Index File, there is no such thing as "possibly non-canon;" as spelled out by our Canon Policy a story is either canon or it is not, and covered by or excluded from this wiki accordingly. Allowing any sort of grey area between this wiki's implementations of canon and non-canon would greatly complicate that. — Rob T Firefly - Δ∇ - 07:53, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
