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<!-- Please put your content under this line. Be sure to sign your edits with four tildes ~~~~ -->Should we include page numbers for short stories? Is there already a rule or format for this that I cannot find? [[User:DoctorWhoTMBG|DoctorWhoTMBG]] <sup>[[User talk:DoctorWhoTMBG|talk to me]]</sup> 15:37, January 1, 2012 (UTC) | <!-- Please put your content under this line. Be sure to sign your edits with four tildes ~~~~ -->Should we include page numbers for short stories? Is there already a rule or format for this that I cannot find? [[User:DoctorWhoTMBG|DoctorWhoTMBG]] <sup>[[User talk:DoctorWhoTMBG|talk to me]]</sup> 15:37, January 1, 2012 (UTC) | ||
:There is no rule about this. Page numbers are simply not a part of any current formatting guidelines. My initial concerns about introducing them into infoboxen -- and I definitely think page counts ''only'' belong in infoboxen -- is consistency. So many pages will be without page counts that it'll make the few that you're probably prepared to edit look like an aberration. After all, once we put it in the infobox, it'll be applied to not just short stories, but all printed stories. The question we need to work out at this juncture is whether we're prepared to live with the fact that very few of all the eligible pages will have the page number field filled in by your initial efforts (unless, of course, you happen to be sitting on a ''massive'' DW collection). How dedicated are you personally to the idea of actually filling in page numbers? Will we find editors willing (and with access to source material) who can help you in this task? We're talking ''thousands'' of articles that will need fairly tedious editing. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span | :There is no rule about this. Page numbers are simply not a part of any current formatting guidelines. My initial concerns about introducing them into infoboxen -- and I definitely think page counts ''only'' belong in infoboxen -- is consistency. So many pages will be without page counts that it'll make the few that you're probably prepared to edit look like an aberration. After all, once we put it in the infobox, it'll be applied to not just short stories, but all printed stories. The question we need to work out at this juncture is whether we're prepared to live with the fact that very few of all the eligible pages will have the page number field filled in by your initial efforts (unless, of course, you happen to be sitting on a ''massive'' DW collection). How dedicated are you personally to the idea of actually filling in page numbers? Will we find editors willing (and with access to source material) who can help you in this task? We're talking ''thousands'' of articles that will need fairly tedious editing. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}01:47: Mon 02 Jan 2012 </span> | ||
::Very tedious indeed. | |||
::It could be chucked in under Notes. With wording something like "This story is on pages X to Y". | |||
::That would alleviate the need to have it in the infobox, while having the information on the article. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:10, January 2, 2012 (UTC) | |||
:::Oh, I definitely don't think it belongs in the body of the article, taking up vertical space. We kinda include it already as a part of the format of comic stories. If it belongs anywhere, it belongs only in an infobox. But, again, I'm not sure how relevant either page count or page ranges are to a short story. Page count matters with comics, to a degree, but not with short stories. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}18:19: Sun 15 Jan 2012 </span> | |||
::::Alrighty, no page numbers in the body of the article. | |||
::::Although, I would say the exception to this ruling would be if there's something notable about the page number, if for instance the story is just a single page, then that's maybe noteworthy information. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:11, January 19, 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Archivist's notes== | |||
This discussion took place prior to the coming of the infobox redesign. It's possible that a {{{pages}}} variable might be put into the basic structure of {{tlx|Infobox Story}}, but one doesn't exist there now. I think the one thing that this discussion brings out is that we probably '''won't''' ever put in the infobox the page number on which a story begins. If {{{pages}}} gets implemented, it will mean ''total number of pages''. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}19:55: Wed 02 May 2012 </span> | |||
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Should we include page numbers for short stories? Is there already a rule or format for this that I cannot find? DoctorWhoTMBG talk to me 15:37, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
- There is no rule about this. Page numbers are simply not a part of any current formatting guidelines. My initial concerns about introducing them into infoboxen -- and I definitely think page counts only belong in infoboxen -- is consistency. So many pages will be without page counts that it'll make the few that you're probably prepared to edit look like an aberration. After all, once we put it in the infobox, it'll be applied to not just short stories, but all printed stories. The question we need to work out at this juncture is whether we're prepared to live with the fact that very few of all the eligible pages will have the page number field filled in by your initial efforts (unless, of course, you happen to be sitting on a massive DW collection). How dedicated are you personally to the idea of actually filling in page numbers? Will we find editors willing (and with access to source material) who can help you in this task? We're talking thousands of articles that will need fairly tedious editing.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 01:47: Mon 02 Jan 2012
- Very tedious indeed.
- It could be chucked in under Notes. With wording something like "This story is on pages X to Y".
- That would alleviate the need to have it in the infobox, while having the information on the article. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:10, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, I definitely don't think it belongs in the body of the article, taking up vertical space. We kinda include it already as a part of the format of comic stories. If it belongs anywhere, it belongs only in an infobox. But, again, I'm not sure how relevant either page count or page ranges are to a short story. Page count matters with comics, to a degree, but not with short stories.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 18:19: Sun 15 Jan 2012
- Oh, I definitely don't think it belongs in the body of the article, taking up vertical space. We kinda include it already as a part of the format of comic stories. If it belongs anywhere, it belongs only in an infobox. But, again, I'm not sure how relevant either page count or page ranges are to a short story. Page count matters with comics, to a degree, but not with short stories.
- Alrighty, no page numbers in the body of the article.
- Although, I would say the exception to this ruling would be if there's something notable about the page number, if for instance the story is just a single page, then that's maybe noteworthy information. --Tangerineduel / talk 13:11, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
Archivist's notes[[edit source]]
This discussion took place prior to the coming of the infobox redesign. It's possible that a {{{pages}}} variable might be put into the basic structure of {{Infobox Story}}, but one doesn't exist there now. I think the one thing that this discussion brings out is that we probably won't ever put in the infobox the page number on which a story begins. If {{{pages}}} gets implemented, it will mean total number of pages.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 19:55: Wed 02 May 2012
